Guns are banned, people still died.

[GradnerLives]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Canada reporting in. Happy to say I've only ever seen one gun that wasn't on a cop while living in the largest city in the country. I've lived in the worst neighbourhoods pre-gentrification and never shy'd away from walking around at night. There are no areas of my city that I'd be hesitant to walk through, even alone/with valuables/at any time of day.

I've had violence threatened to me a fair number of times for sure, but I'm an okay runner and a pretty good talker so I can't say I've ever even been in a fight. If I ever was, I'd definitely be at risk of a good ass whooping but there's a pretty small chance that it would ever escalate beyond that, regardless of who I'm dealing with. Running and Talking don't do as much good when dealing with an armed assailant, though.

I don't agree that guns are the root cause of the violent crime problem in the states. A greater degree of racial inequity, history of violent means to political ends, an inherent ubercapitalist "Self over others" mentality and a criminal justice system that seems more interested in punishment than rehabilitation could all certainly have a greater effect on the situation, but mass gun ownership doesn't help with any of those points. It only serves to protect the prepared few, placate the larger body of unprepared/untrained masses with the illusion of safety, and legally arm criminals to make their job a whole lot easier.

Who knew that NOT making it a right to take up guns to protect us from the king of england and just letting him have his way would get us all this free healthcare, greater prosperity/wealth in all but the absolute highest percentile income brackets, more stable banking system, a 17x lower chance of being raped, 3x less chance of being shot and all this great poutine.

Just saying.

Pras the duke.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Canada reporting in. Happy to say I've only ever seen one gun that wasn't on a cop while living in the largest city in the country. I've lived in the worst neighbourhoods pre-gentrification and never shy'd away from walking around at night. There are no areas of my city that I'd be hesitant to walk through, even alone/with valuables/at any time of day.

I've had violence threatened to me a fair number of times for sure, but I'm an okay runner and a pretty good talker so I can't say I've ever even been in a fight. If I ever was, I'd definitely be at risk of a good ass whooping but there's a pretty small chance that it would ever escalate beyond that, regardless of who I'm dealing with. Running and Talking don't do as much good when dealing with an armed assailant, though.

I don't agree that guns are the root cause of the violent crime problem in the states. A greater degree of racial inequity, history of violent means to political ends and inherent ubercapitalist "Self over others" mentality and a criminal justice system that seems more interested in punishment than rehabilitation could all certainly have a greater effect on the situation, but mass gun ownership doesn't help with any of those points. It only serves to protect the prepared few, placate the larger body of unprepared/untrained masses with the illusion of safety, and legally arm criminals to make their job a whole lot easier.

Who knew that NOT making it a right to take up guns to protect us from the king of england and just letting him have his way would get us all this free healthcare, greater prosperity/wealth in all but the absolute highest percentile income brackets, more stable banking system, a 17x lower chance of being raped, 3x less chance of being shot and all this great poutine.

Just saying.

Pras the duke.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Canada reporting in. Happy to say I've only ever seen one gun that wasn't on a cop while living in the largest city in the country. I've lived in the worst neighbourhoods pre-gentrification and never shy'd away from walking around at night. There are no areas of my city that I'd be hesitant to walk through, even alone/with valuables/at any time of day.

I've had violence threatened to me a fair number of times for sure, but I'm an okay runner and a pretty good talker so I can't say I've ever even been in a fight. If I ever was, I'd definitely be at risk of a good ass whooping but there's a pretty small chance that it would ever escalate beyond that, regardless of who I'm dealing with. Running and Talking don't do as much good when dealing with an armed assailant, though.

I don't agree that guns are the root cause of the violent crime problem in the states. A greater degree of racial inequity, history of violent means to political ends and inherent ubercapitalist "Self over others" mentality and a criminal justice system that seems more interested in punishment than rehabilitation could all certainly have a greater effect on the situation, but mass gun ownership doesn't help with any of those points. It only serves to protect the prepared few, placate the larger body of unprepared/untrained masses with the illusion of safety, and legally arm criminals to make their job a whole lot easier.

Who knew that NOT making it a right to take up guns to protect us from the king of england and just letting him have his way would get us all this free healthcare, greater prosperity/wealth in all but the absolute highest percentile income brackets, more stable banking system, a 17x lower chance of being raped, 3x less chance of being shot and all this great poutine.

Just saying.

Pras the duke.

Pras.

[GradnerLives]

oops. Forgot can't edit in rnf. Did a double "and" in a series.

[Pokesan]

Murdering another human being over a television set is totally cool and good

[Drakaris]

Really hate the gun laws in Australia....

You can legally own a high caliber rifle if you own a farm and they frequently get stolen, but you can't own a pistol without at least 12 months membership at a shooting range for sporting purposes.... and you can never legally use a firearm against another person, even if your house is being broken into or your loved ones are being stabbed.

Stupid laws here imo.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Not into cultural marxist fuckwits, sorry.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah it isn't an issue of guns at all. People who want to commit crimes, commit crimes. People who want to kill someone, kill someone.

Because no one ever accidentally shot anyone *cough* Cheney *cough*.

And even if they did, just look at all those statistics on people accidentally getting knifed to death; it's totally the same thing.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because no one ever accidentally shot anyone *cough* Cheney *cough*.

And even if they did, just look at all those statistics on people accidentally getting knifed to death; it's totally the same thing.

Let's ban cars then.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's ban cars then.

Totally; just like guns they serve no useful purpose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously though, I'm not anti-gun ownership in America. Like I said, the cat is already out of the bag here. Plus some idiotic judicial interpretation of our constitution (that completed ignored the "a well regulated militia" part of the 2nd amendment) has ensured that even if we wanted to we could never put the cat back in the bag.

Also, my father-in-law sells gun lockers and goes hunting like every other week, so if I was anti-gun ownership family get-togethers would be VERY awkward [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But at the same time, if you look at the statistics of countries that didn't let the cat out of the bag, it's plainly obvious that they have a lot few gun deaths per capita. So, in those countries I'm absolutely in favor of gun prohibition: it's just indisputable that their gun laws have saved thousands of lives (and saved many more people from lifelong injuries).