Casinos - Page 12

zforrestal · #1 08-20-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ripwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is going to leave over this. .

I count as someone even though I'm not important, and I have no point to play EQ the raid scene to me is how some of you view casinos.... lame, people breaking rules, not fun and causes issues that aren't going to be fixed..

I say after 1 year, if RMT's don't decrease, then the ban should be lifted but that's wishful thinking..

[QUOTE=Argh;1584111]It does make tracking down RMT easier.

I would imagine that many RMT'ers were using casinos as a front to launder RMT'd plat through. It would be very easy to then say that the plat or items you obtained illicitly were obtained through casinos and it would be very hard to confirm/refute the legitimacy of such a claim.

With casinos now gone, it leaves RMT'ers without a reliable means of connecting buyers to sellers.

In the end it doesn't completely solve any RMT issues but it does greatly reduce the potential for it at the moment. Keeping the server RMT free is imperative to the overall well being of the server, and this is just a necessary step in accomplishing that.[/QUOTE

I get the logic behind it, I still don't think it will put a dent into how often it goes on, but yea Sad day

Argh · #2 08-20-2014, 02:15 PM

It does make tracking down RMT easier.

I would imagine that many RMT'ers were using casinos as a front to launder RMT'd plat through. It would be very easy to then say that the plat or items you obtained illicitly were obtained through casinos and it would be very hard to confirm/refute the legitimacy of such a claim.

With casinos now gone, it leaves RMT'ers without a reliable means of connecting buyers to sellers.

In the end it doesn't completely solve any RMT issues but it does greatly reduce the potential for it at the moment. Keeping the server RMT free is imperative to the overall well being of the server, and this is just a necessary step in accomplishing that.

Shiftin · #3 08-20-2014, 02:22 PM

If investigations are easier, more plat is seized or RMT mules banned. The more inventory used for RMT is seized, the less profitable the business becomes, and the less people participate in it. At what point in that train of logic do you disagree?

zforrestal · #4 08-20-2014, 02:41 PM

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If investigations are easier, more plat is seized or RMT mules banned. The more inventory used for RMT is seized, the less profitable the business becomes, and the less people participate in it. At what point in that train of logic do you disagree?

I get the logic still don't think it's going to put a dent on how often it happens and sure might make it easier to track down, I don't see that as a valid reason to ban all casinos, but yea sucks, I'm upset - cool-, I think you would be too if your sole reason of playing was taken out. For me this is as big as taking out end game content. I mean the only reason anything has any value is the "lack of availability" of said items. So it's kind of paradoxical, if everything was easy to get what value would it have, but instead we have guilds who horde spawn timers, thus increasing the value of plat and x items, thus making plat or items worth money... why not make all end game instance based and a timer on each character instead of the mob.. wouldn't fix the problem entirely but would decrease RMT's.. but then you'd argue that that isn't how Classic EQ is, but if the problem is decreasing RMT's why not? I know you'll just laugh but that's how I view it.

Wrench · #5 08-20-2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know you'll just laugh

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Shiftin · #6 08-20-2014, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get the logic still don't think it's going to put a dent on how often it happens and sure might make it easier to track down,

No no, you didn't actually answer my question. If you think it'll be easier to track down and stop, why do you think it won't decrease the number of people doing it. You increase the risk by both parties and make it less profitable. What opposing factor would keep those things from naturally decreasing the activity in the market?

It's really really basic macroeconomic theory you're just whizzing by here. Why will the activity not decrease if it becomes less profitable for the seller and higher risk for the buyer?

zforrestal · #7 08-20-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No no, you didn't actually answer my question. If you think it'll be easier to track down and stop, why do you think it won't decrease the number of people doing it. You increase the risk by both parties and make it less profitable. What opposing factor would keep those things from naturally decreasing the activity in the market?

It's really really basic macroeconomic theory you're just whizzing by here. Why will the activity not decrease if it becomes less profitable for the seller and higher risk for the buyer?

I'm sorry I should put it like this. I do agree that it will help decrease RMT's, I don't think the decrease will put a big enough impact on RMT's.

ripwind · #8 08-20-2014, 02:29 PM

Wow. I want to work where you guys do so I can get drunk at lunch, too.

Olscratch · #9 08-20-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your entire argument is that the rule is vague?

How is the rule vague?

Casino's / Gambling shops aren't allowed.

Are you really trying to rule lawyer this? If so that's pretty sad...

The rule says all gambling not just gambling shops.

from OP "any other form of gambling : Please use your best discretion when determining what constitutes "gambling"

Rais · #10 08-20-2014, 02:38 PM

Sounds like you are trying to be as naive as you can so you can do shady rmt stuff. Your answers are in the very first post you are so upset about. And I am going to guess you will say /rand for loot off a npc from a group kill is considered gambling. He already responded to that one as well.

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I asked for some specific scenarios earlier. I'm trying to get a feel for what we can do and what we can't. What if me and a friend want to play some dice games while waiting on PHs to spawn? Can we have a casino night in guild for fun? What if we then invite others to join in on the fun? .

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Due to numerous issues resulting from player run casinos and to reflect similar policies enacted on Live during classic, as well as other MMORPG's, we have decided to prohibit the operation, advertisement, or use of "casinos", including, but not limited to, dice rolls, card games, "guessing" games, and any other form of gambling. Please use your best discretion when determining what constitutes "gambling".

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That's not what is being outlined here. If you can't tell the difference between gambling at a 'casino' or playing a game of chance for potential profit with another player, and rolling on an item that dropped off an NPC, you are going to have a very hard time - and that has nothing to do with the casinos getting banned.

I know what you are doing, and you are welcome to do it, but I'd highly recommend not testing us on this. It's pretty simple cut and dry. Casinos are now gone.