HELP ME ROGEAN!!

[Pan]

Just for the record. TLDR, for sure, but for the sake of transparency, here it is. If this is gonna be a public shitshow, at least the data should be public. If you take the time to read it, look for tenor changes, threats, seller's remorse, and endgame play here. Also note the willingness to split the cleric back to him under the conditions that he offered.

Drowed (whom I believe is Bardalicious): 07-31-2014, 12:36 PM

Hello.
I've heard through the grapevine that you've at some point obtained my necromancer Drowed via plat for account sales. I had a login server account attached to that eqemu which I retained sole access to. It remained safe as there was no way for the eqemu account owner to change the password of that account without knowing the password to begin with.
Obviously something has changed with that system because someone has gone ahead and changed the password to that account on me...
Was it you by chance?

Me to Drowed (31 july, 01:43 PM)

Yes, when I bought the account more than a year ago, the eqemulator credentials were included. I wouldn't buy an account that didn't have the credentials attached. I changed the eqemulator email and credentials the day I bought the account. It is now attached to my SMS info, too.
What's at issue here?

Me to Drowed (31 july, 02:04 PM)

Do you want access to that bard on red? I can surely give that to you.
I think I know what happened. When the SMS thing came into the game, you associate your account (entire emu) with your phone number. I did that with the drowed account and reset all 3 login server passwords associated with the emu.

Drowed to me (31 July, 02:59 PM) (note no mention of the cleric here)

Yes.. I realize it's a long shot but I do want the bard back. I know it may seem like a stupid thing to do, but when I sold Drowed to (redacted) originally we had an understanding that he wouldn't get access to the (bard account) login account. It remained safe and in my hands up until Rogean changed the login system by adding SMS linking and linking the accounts to P99 forum accounts.
Had that never happened, I'd never have lost access to that account.

Me to Drowed (31 July, 03:03 PM)

I understand 100000000000pct. It's an odd thing. Please tell me what pw you want for it and I'll change it immediately and give you my word I'll never log it in. You can check around on the server - I think I have a stellar reputation as being a straight shooter and trustworthy. And if you ever need to change it, you can get me at xxxxxx at gmail and I'll change it again to whatever you want. I'm thrilled someone is gonna use that bard.

Me to Drowed (31 July, 03:15 PM)

Gdi, since you sold it - not since I bought it.

Drowed to me (31 July, 03:17 PM) (no mention of the cleric here)

Aye, (redacted) bought it from me (I'm the original owner) then it got sold once more before going to you I think. Makes me glad to know that she's still being used because I miss playing her quite a bit and regret selling her!
I greatly appreciate you being straightforward and honest with me. If you could change the PW for now to:
xxxxxxx (note upper case x and x, lower case x)
That would be great. I've filled out a petition about that account already, would you be opposed to consenting to them helping me either move my character(s) off the (bard account) account to one of my own, or removing that account from that eqemu account all together? Not sure if Rogean will ever get around to helping anyways, hehe.
Thanks again for the timely reply and honesty... you have no idea how hard my heart sank to the floor when I saw the password was changed.

Me to Drowed (31 July, 03:32 PM) (I try to log into the account and he's managed to get the bard banned - had no idea that was his work at this time)

HOLY COW the account is currently banned? Wow. Did you get in touch with CS already?
I can get into Drowed, but...
Also, PW had to be 8 or more characters - it is xxxxxx now - and I've got NO problem if you can get Rogean to reassign - that would be slick/fine by me.

Me to Drowed (31 July, 03:35 PM)

Ah, okay - saw that a petition is in the works. Have Rogean contact me and I'll give my blessing for splitting it off. And you're welcome. We're all humans and if we can work shit out among us, all the better.
Happy to do this for you for sure. (Tho I do want to keep (xxxxxCleric)...put lot into that one).
Hope he'll split that one off for you. If not, feel free to contact me any time to change PW or for whatever reason.

Drowed to me (31 July, 3:36 PM)

Well that's lovely...
I've had a petition in for 6 long months now begging for help before something happened, then it finally did (although accidental on your part hehe), so who knows if they'll EVER get around to helping me...

Me to Drowed (31 July, 03:40 PM)

Well shoot...I guess it's still my account for the moment, technically - shame it got locked. I'll put in a petition, too - did you do it on the EMU forums or on the p99 forums? I want to do it in the same place and parallel your wishes.
Worst case, you can change the PW now thru me if we can get it unbanned (which is something that you couldn't ever do without the emu). Best case is they split it off for ya.
Also, if you don't mind, would you make a post in your original thread? This sort of taints my name in a way that blindsided me. I'd like people to know that we're getting this sorted out.

Drowed to me (31 July, 03:38 PM) (note that this is the first he realizes cleric pw changed - or even on the same emu??)

WOAH WOAH WOAH... you're telling me you have access to (cleric account) as well now???? My CLERIC on blue too???

Me to Drowed (31 July, 03:41 PM)

Yep, epiced and purpled - lotta hours into that little one.

Drowed to me (31 July, 03:48 PM) (odd shock here - told him in the first correspondence that I'd reset all 3 pws)

You've got to be KIDDING me. That account was MINE as recent as 2 or 3 months ago, and was NEVER a part of any purchase you made from whoever sold you Drowed. You never thought anything of just taking the account without asking questions???

Drowed to me (31 July, 03:50 PM) (7 years? more like 4 (born on: May 10, 2010))

I made (Cleric) as my first character on this server 7 years ago. I'm sorry, but I can't let that one fly...

Me to Drowed (31 July, 03:52 PM)

When you buy the account, you buy the emu, I think. At least that's how it worked on all the emus that I did buy when it was still legal. And that's how it's been working for other people, too.
And whom would I ask questions of? Seriously, I gave it no second thought. When I got the SMS done associated with my number, it was a no-brainer to change all the PWs. That's why I insisted that I got the EMU with the account. So I could control it.

Drowed to me (31 July, 03:56 PM)

You purchased an account that advertised a measly 52 necromancer with TD firepot bind. If the owner had access to either the bard or cleric accounts, logically, they would have mentioned something about it in the auction and charged far more for it...
There's no way that you did an SMS password change, which is a brand new system that's been implemented, and just happened to think everything was on the level when you suddenly got a 54 bard and 49 cleric as a result of it.
You're welcome to rescind that offer of changing my bards PW, because that character means less than nothing to me compared to the cleric I've had for 7 years..
I apologize for whatever work you may have put into him, but I have no choice but to attempt some sort of GM intervention on this one.

Drowed to me (31 July, 03:59 PM)

Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the bard account was banned due to my petition about it being stolen from me. It's not hard to imagine that the cleric will suffer the same fate now when I proceed with explaining to them that the same thing happened..

Me to Drowed (31 July, 04:04 PM)

All good - let's let them sort this out. And at the end of the day, I'm still willing to work with you on the bard. Same offer irrespective of how stupid the cleric thing gets (but maybe we can work something out there, too). But...I am 100pct operating under the assumption that when you buy an Emu, you buy the accounts associated with it.
And when you associate the emu creds with your SMS you have the option of resetting all 3 passwords. That's just how it works and how it did work.
I sent in a petition asking for the bard to be unbanned (and split off) to you. The sorry for the work on the cleric doesn't cut it for me. Let's keep talking about that one. I'm not unreasonable, but "to hell with it" seems unreasonable to me.

Me to Drowed (31 July, 04:09 PM)

I *think* that they're gonna end up telling you that I bought the emu/credentials/accounts. If that's the case, we'll try to work something out between us.

Drowed to me (31 July, 04:42 PM) (here he makes the offer to compensate for the time/stuff I put into the cleric - his initiative)

Except that you didn't buy the cleric. You purchased the account under the impression that it came with a level 52 necromancer named (xxxxx), period.
If they had wanted the eqemulator account holder to have 100% access over the login server accounts created under them, they would have made a way to recover passwords a whole lot sooner. But they didn't until recently. And as such, despite you having control of the eqemulator account, I maintained full access to both xxxx and xxxx accounts, which I can full well prove when they check the records of IP's used to log into them.
The bottom line is that you purchased an account for a 52 necromancer named Drowed. You got lucky that they just implemented the SMS system to change the passwords to two accounts that were in my possession prior to that.
As per the big man himself when they announced account trading being banned here:
Quote: the original owner of an account will always be considered the owner of the account
Now, I don't know how that pertains to recovering my necromancer, but I wouldn't try to anyways as that was clearly on the level. Sniping two accounts that you know full well you didn't pay for, was not. Should they not just outright BAN the cleric and end up ruling in my favor, I'll gladly compensate you for the epic and other work put into him. I've got about 200k in assets left on blue, which includes a fungi tunic.
I'm sorry that I can't walk away from this cleric. It may sound stupid, but it has quite a bit of sentimental value to me..

Me to Drowed (31 July, 04:46 PM)

Now we're talking...as much as I don't want to lose the little guy, I'm not unreasonable on that end. Gah, I don't want to re-epic that guy. And I do understand the sentimental nature of the whole thing.
What sort of arrangement did you have in mind? He's 52 now, btw.
I'm pretty sure we can get something figured out.

Drowed to me (31 July, 05:05 PM)

There's very little we can do to come to an agreement between us, because unless you're going to relinquish the eqemulator account to me, I'd have to wait to hear whether Rogean can transfer the characters off or move the login server accounts to a new eqemulator account.

Me to Drowed (31 July, 05:13 PM)

Not gonna lose access to (necro) in any case - gd, she was expensive. So I'm keeping the emu. Let's hope he'll split off the bard and we can work something out valuewise for what I've put into the cleric. And I don't blame you for regretting selling her. Tho I cannot play a necro to save my soul. But she's pulled TONS of corpses - and matched my firepot cleric in great ways for a lot of people.
But I bought the emu, I think. I know I bought (necro) for sure...and kinda figured the rest was a package deal. That's where i'm squishy. Wonder how long it will take on this.
But maybe we can work something out on the levels/epic/etc., on (cleric), too. Put a ton into him.

Drowed to me (31 July, 10:01 PM) (missed the value here by a mile - also we lost a year somewhere)

The auction shows about 100kpp?? That's pretty cheap for a firepot bound necro. In any case, I'm not interested in Drowed. I have no claim to that account because I sold it. I want MY accounts back, because none of the sales, from the point at which she left my hands to the point at which she entered yours, did they ever include access to my other 2 accounts.
A package deal? You had no idea what was on the other two login server accounts when you bought Drowed. The person you bought her from had no idea either, because they are my accounts and never left my possession. And the only point at which you gained access was VERY recently because of the SMS recovery changes allowing you to take over control of my 2 accounts which were still attached to that eqemu acct. You're smart enough to understand that if the seller of Drowed had known that a 49 cleric and 54 bard were on the other accounts, they would have charged more.
I'm willing to be reasonable when it comes to your effort put into my cleric, but I'm not going to be punished for what comes down to someone else stealing my accounts for their own use.
So I'll be in contact with the GM's about the issue, and I'm really hoping that you have the integrity to cooperate in me recovering my two accounts from that eqemu account. I'm rather certain that if you're not, and this isn't agree'd upon on both of our sides, that neither of us will benefit as they'll likely ban the cleric as well when they check IP logs and see that someone else suddenly started logging into that account after 6+ years of me being the only one to do so...
And I'll gladly clear this up on my forum post as to not negatively impact your reputation... so long as we've reached an agreement as to what needs to happen.

Me to Drowed (31 July, 11:15 PM)

So deru finally answered my side of the petition. He said we should work something out so we should. Bard is not in question. He hasn't gotten back to me about splitting off accts, but let's leave that as setteled (yours).
You mentioned you had some value on Blue. Why don't you offer me something for my time/epic/crap and I'll tell Deru we've come to an arrangement and I'll see that you get (cleric) back as part of it.
I think we're mostly on the same page-ish?

Me to Drowed (31 July, 11:17 PM)

Will be easy if they can split the 2 onto a different emu for you. And stealing is pretty harsh. I'd been given to understand that when you buy the emu, you buy what's there. There was no malice of forethought on my part. We can get this figured out...always have in EQ and other MMOs (and in life). Let's just keep pushing on it.

Drowed to me (1 Aug, 01:19 AM) (now back to seven)

What other word would you use to describe it? If someone managed to obtain your main accounts in the same way, 7 years after making them, spent a month worth of time on one of them then demanded compensation (compensation for the epic/levels that HE originally offered if he were able to ban the cleric) to return them, how would you feel? Because I've got to tell you buddy, I've got a knot in my stomach over the thought of losing 7 REAL LIFE years worth of casual gameplay due to a stupid change to the account management system.
I also find it deplorable that the leader of a guild here, whose reputation was at stake, wouldn't be a little more truthful about what's being said in petitions right now. Because as per Deru, he claims you're disputing what is to be done with my accounts. And I've got to say, that if it comes down to it and I'm backed into a corner with nothing else to lose, I'll be forced to bring this forward to the community.

Me to Drowed: 1 Aug, 4:35 AM

You're not backed into a corner at all. Are you even reading what I've written to you? I've not been a bit untruthful about anything anywhere. In fact, I feel like I've been trying to do right by you throughout this whole thing. Wonder if Deru is reading too fast?
Also, you said you had some value on Blue to account for the time/items/epic I put into (cleric). You made that offer - in my last note to you, I was asking you to make good on that offer. Your move that way.
Here's what I've posted in the petition thread: Initial petition (yesterday 3:59pm my time):

Last year in July, I bought an account, complete with the emu - a L52 necro. Apparently the original owner sold the emu and the necro account and thought he/she was keeping the other LS accounts (tho unable to change the PWs).
When I associated the EMU with my SMS, I reset pws to all 3 accounts. I think I bought the emu, no?
(bard account) has been banned (I think he/she petitioned) - there's a 50s bard on red on that one
(cleric account) has a cleric on it that I've leveled and epiced and geared
(necro account) is the necro account
This person is harassing me about "stealing" accounts on an emu that I bought - and has locked one up already.
So...I don't know what to do. I don't mind giving the bard to the person (and even splitting it off ) but I did buy the emu and want to ensure that I keep the necro and cleric (xxxxx and xxxxxx).
Seems silly that someone can lock this down like that when they don't even have access.
Please advise - have PMs with that person and with the person from whom I bought the emu. Let me know what to do and please unlock (bard account) if you can.
I asked to unlock it b/c I'd changed the PW for you by that time (we'd discussed) and wanted you to have access. Then we exchanged a few PMs and I posted this at 4:47pm). After your offer yesterday at 4:42 (I'll gladly compensate you for the epic and other work put into him. I've got about 200k in assets left on blue, which includes a fungi tunic.), I posted this:
In talks with the original owner seeing if we can work something out about the cleric.

At 10:21, Eunomia posts this:

Here is the question:
Did you buy the account (bard account)?
Or did it become available to you with the new account access system?

At 10:49, I reply:

Became available when I reset.
As did the (cleric account) account. The (bard account) account I haven't done anything with. But I have leveled and epiced and purpled the cleric on (cleric account). So there's that.
I was purchasing (necro account) and the other 2 became available after the reset. But I thought I was buying the emu?

At 10:53 and 10:57, Deru posts:

Who was the original owner that you're in contact with...?
Am looking into this.
Oddly enough, Bardalicious is disputing a few of your points, namely what is to be done with the (cleric) and (bard) accounts. If the two of you could come to a clear, concise resolution without us, that'd be best, but if both of you could keep us updated on the situation I'd appreciate that.

At 11:07 and 11:09 I post

So I bought the EMU with the 3 on it (email, etc.).
Don't particularly care how you all handle this by policy. Am reluctant, tho, to lose the work I put in the cleric. Don't care about the bard at all.
Deru, can you split the accounts onto different emus?
I think we can work something out

At 11:12 I post this (realizing that I hadn't responded to a question):

Drowed claims to be the original owner and I don't have any reason to disbelieve that.
The necro (also drowed) is on (necro account). There's no dispute over that one.
I don't care about the bard on (bard account).
I do care about the cleric that I leveled and epiced and geared a little on (cleric account). Drowed (forum name) has some value on blue that he/she offered at one point in the conversation. I'll see what we can work out.

Then I send you a PM re your offer for compensation re the offer you made on compensation on (Cleric) (epic, etc.) and posted this at 11:18pm:

Made an overture to the buyer. If he/she can figure out compensation for work on the cleric, we're golden (and he/she has made overtures that way) - tho I would like those 2 split onto a different EMU if you can swing it.
Then one more post correcting seller to buyer.

That's where it sits now. Deru wants us to work something out and I thought an offer was on the table for compensation for the stuff and levels on (cleric).
I really think that when you sell an emu, you sell the emu. And I think I'm behaving very fairly about all of this. I'm asking to have both the Cleric and Bard split off to you.
As far as emus and changable passwords, etc., go, I won't even tag a 'toon whose owner isn't able to change the password b/c I don't want to gear up a toon in the guild that could potentially poof.
I'm also not sure where you think I'm not being up front about any of this. I feel like I'm bending over backward to get it straightened out.

Drowed to me: 2 Aug, 2:25 PM (new message title "Heads Up")

Just FYI I'm working 12 hour shifts all weekend, I won't really have the time to talk about this further til Monday. Though I don't see the point in making some static offer for compensation til we know if the GMs will even help split off the accounts .. And whether they ban it like they did the bard.
Also, since you're adamant about getting compensation (ccompensation that Bardalicious/Drowed originally offered - not something that I came up with) for your time invested on my cleric, I assume that if the GMs do not help and you keep it that you'll be compensating me for my time on him, right? Seems fair to me!
Anyways, I'll message agai Sunday night or Monday.

Me to Drowed, 2 Aug, 2:35PM

Yeah, for sure on the cleric thing. Btw, was your offer on the no-drops, levels. But...worst case -
I think you should have the bard no matter WHAT happens. And even if they're not willing to split off the account, my PW management thing (ONLY you have access and can change thru me any time) totally stands.
I'd be happy to make a new emu (or have you make a new emu) and PL a cleric up to that level and put the approximate (cleric) gear on him (I think I still hae all of it on him or in the bank). I'd even go so far as to advocate name swaps if they'd do it so you could keep the name. Might take me a couple of weeks to get the cleric to 49, but... I'd offer straight up cash (dun know how much it costs to PL a cleric) but I don't know if that would be considered buying an account...that's on an emu I have? WTF? all pretty grey and greasy that way. But I think if we bring something to the table...they'll bite.
GMs don't seem unreasonable at all. They want us to come to some sort of terms. I think that uncle rogean might be slow on the draw to split accounts. It's been 2 months for me waiting on raid forum access after the first kill that would grant us access. Just languishing that way.
I have a bitch of a week coming up. Have to drive 18 hours to a property my wife and I own - in the middle of fucking nowhere - and do some carpentry/unfucking. Rental manager has done a shitty job the last 7 years and we haven't seen it since. So my access may be spotty. I will get messages/online, but not sure if I'll be able to get in-game.
I want this to be a win/win and I think it can be. Knock these and other ideas around in your head. See where we land that makes sense.

Me to Drowed 2 Aug, 3:38PM
Oh, I've asked repeatedly to have the bard unbanned and have it given to you on another emu.
They haven't banned (cleric) yet I don't think - but he's rather on ice for me anyway until this is worked out. And I agree - would make NO sense if you had to drive (cleric) on my emu with me changing the PW if needed. That would be just stupid.
Might be our best play is a PL new cleric and name swap - that they might go for. And then just use the bard under the current emu (assuming we can get him unbanned) until rogean gets to the swapping?

Drowed to me: 2 Aug, 6:08 PM (nowhere did I say he'd need to drive the PL-ee...offer was for me to do it in its entirety - also making a play at getting the emu back, which I cannot do given the current ruleset (and couldn't un-SMS it if I wanted to))

That would be like me saying well... I want the cleric account without paying, but you can make a new cleric and I'll get him an epic in about 4 weeks.
Idk.. I appreciate you brainstorming ideas but I'm not too keen on that one considering even if you plvled a new cleric I would have to put in the effort to playing him while getting the plvl.. In the end I'm losing and again being punished for an absurd way of taking my accounts from me.
Wish you'd sell me the whole account and we could be done with this.

Drowed to Me: 6 Aug 1:10 AM (now more threats threats)

Well, the gms have stopped responding to me entirely, both via my petition and PMs so I'm guessing this is a win for you.
I'm pretty irate at the moment.
What's your thoughts on handing over the emu to me, me paying you for the work on (cleric) as I said I would, and you keeping access to (necro)? Similar to what you offered me, I'd change the password to that account for you as needed.
I'd also consider sharing the cleric with you as my playtime is limited with a full time job and college on top of that, but I'd want to talk on the phone before doing something like that.
Or I'd pay you for the cleric and the necro both and we could be done with it..
Please let me know asap ... being ignored by the gms while both of my accounts remain unplayable by me has pushed me to the point that I'm considering posting all of this for the community to see. I can't imagine anyone would be very happy to be put in the same situation I am because of a change Rogean made to account management... And I'd really hate to damage your rep as a guild leader by doing so.

Drowed to me 11 Aug 5:25 AM

I've seen you online yet you haven't taken the time to reply to me.
What's up?

Me to Drowed: 11 Aug 5:30 AM

Sorry. Very, very jammed up. Have a long reply in the works. That repop yesterday was painful, too.
But...am 1,200 miles from home right now on a phone connection working 16 hour days doing carpentry/landscaping on a hobby farm we're trying to sell. And will be at it another week. Add to that my brother's brain cancer came back with a vengeance (more surgery today) so family texts/emails/calls/etc., flying back and forth.
So, honestly, crafting the careful reply to you has been on the back burner. I think we're also waiting on the GMs to tell us what's possible (as far as splitting off accounts, renaming toons (maybe), and all the rest). I'll see if I can get something briefer hammered out to you this week. I know it's frustrating when priorities don't mesh, but I so far buried right now I cannot even give Omni the care it needs and am relying on people to step up and keep the train rolling. Sorry to be so slow, but I only have so many resources - stretched to the breaking point right now.

Then later yesterday he starts this shitshow (at a time at which, I suspect, he thought I wouldn't be able to respond).

Finally, I even asked the staff to do this to take him out of the picture entirely - because I was getting nowhere with this guy (from my petition 1 Aug, 11:28AM)

Are you able to move no-drops (epic & planar) and exp onto another toon? That would solve it w/o his intervention, I guess. I've wasted far too much time and sick guts on this already. It's really hard to negotiate with someone who has no desire to do anything but escalate things.

I've got no idea what to do with this person. I'm not gonna give or sell him the necro back (which is what he's obviously angling for). I cannot get the cleric and bard split off. He doesn't want a replacement cleric. I'm at a loss.

[Pan]

Originally Posted by Poetic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A saint? Lol lol lol lol. Holy moly horse Shit. He was scummy and stole the accounts. After he sees this thread about to blow Shit all over him, he offers a to level him another cleric. The Shit licking thief should give the stolen cleric back regardless of gear and level differences minus any boes. He's not going to do the right thing at this point, so take the scumbags pl offer. Verified piece if Shit

That's just a lie.

On 2 Aug you wrote (PMs):

Also, since you're adamant about getting compensation for your time invested on my cleric (inserted note: which was an offer you initially made by you to me on 31 July) , I assume that if the GMs do not help and you keep it that you'll be compensating me for my time on him, right? Seems fair to me!

I replied on the same day a few hours later (more than a week ago):

Yeah, for sure on the cleric thing. Btw, was your offer on the no-drops, levels. But...worst case -
I think you should have the bard no matter WHAT happens. And even if they're not willing to split off the account, my PW management thing (ONLY you have access and can change thru me any time) totally stands.
I'd be happy to make a new emu (or have you make a new emu) and PL a cleric up to that level and put the approximate ruinous gear on him (I think I still hae all of it on him or in the bank). I'd even go so far as to advocate name swaps if they'd do it so you could keep the name. Might take me a couple of weeks to get the cleric to 49, but... I'd offer straight up cash (dun know how much it costs to PL a cleric) but I don't know if that would be considered buying an account...that's on an emu I have? WTF? all pretty grey and greasy that way. But I think if we bring something to the table...they'll bite.
GMs don't seem unreasonable at all. They want us to come to some sort of terms. I think that uncle rogean might be slow on the draw to split accounts. It's been 2 months for me waiting on raid forum access after the first kill that would grant us access. Just languishing that way.

Just an outright lie.

[Bazia]

This guy is just putting the blame on a bunch of people for his retarded decisions, don't think he realizes that 95% of people would instantly tell him to fuck off.

The fact you're offering him a complete replacement toon is beyond what most would do.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy is just putting the blame on a bunch of people for his retarded decisions, don't think he realizes that 95% of people would instantly tell him to fuck off.

The fact you're offering him a complete replacement toon is beyond what most would do.

Fortunately, some people still hold a shred of decency and disagree with you.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy is just putting the blame on a bunch of people for his retarded decisions, don't think he realizes that 95% of people would instantly tell him to fuck off.

The fact you're offering him a complete replacement toon is beyond what most would do.

you are ridiculous

[Bardalicious]

Don't mind Bazia, he's clearly so disillusioned by red that he actually believes that the player base there is composed of normal people. So, I suppose his statement may ring true if we were talking PvP server players only being that 95%. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bardalicious]

Pan, I really don't know how you think posting all of that could possibly make you look any better in all of this. Also, I screen capped my entire petition thread before deru deleted it. So if you really need me to discredit another one of your desperate attempts to undermine my intentions just to save face I sure can. Not once in my petition did I ever ask for access back to Drowed. Do I miss that character? Sure! Would I ever attempt some shady ploy to steal her back from the owner of that account? Nope. Only one of us fits that bill...

[zanderklocke]

Can you just give him the password to cleric and bard...assuming he compensates you for your time? Sounds like he was going to compensate you for your time on the cleric.

[Swish]

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[Tuffpuppy]

GMs having no action after this dude is stealing accounts. Not surprised there. Just because there was a change in account recovery doesn't give this guy the right to change the password and play an account that isn't his. GMs should make special cases out of this SMS change because honestly it took way too many years to put this change in. Doesn't seem fair.