Why I don't like to group

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Cyph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this kind of behaviour against the rules? I would hope so.

power leveling?

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by minhjn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i agree with all of this

Thanks Rhezzin. Always nice playing with you.

Originally Posted by Cyph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this kind of behaviour against the rules? I would hope so.

No, it isn't, as long as the players are being played independently by two separate people. It's terribly difficult to prove that they aren't as an outside observer, but I have been sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that boxing powerleveling was happening on several occasions and petitioned the players.


Last night I managed to luck into a mistmoore yard trash group. There was a list to get into the group that I waited about 30 minutes on, and we constantly had people asking to be added to the list.

These people could have made their own group and one of us moved to graveyard but an orge SK was being powerleveled there and they were taking so many mobs that they started pulling from tunnel and tunnel entrance trash, so there were barely enough for us to kill most of the time.

[HippoNipple]

^^^

I hate power levelers for that reason - probably just because I'm jealous and have never been power leveled, except the random buff when a high level runs by.

[Aetherial]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^^

I hate power levelers for that reason - probably just because I'm jealous and have never been power leveled, except the random buff when a high level runs by.

No, it isn't just because you haven't been PL'd.

I just don't people taking over campes from entire group(s) of people just to help their "friend" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] There are only so many level approproate zones and it is not like you can go to the higher (death) or lower (no exp) zone ranges.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Aetherial [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it isn't just because you haven't been PL'd.

I just don't people taking over campes from entire group(s) of people just to help their "friend" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] There are only so many level approproate zones and it is not like you can go to the higher (death) or lower (no exp) zone ranges.

Thank you sir now I know why I hate them!

[Seeatee]

to get from 1 - 50 as fast as absolutely possible with as little hassle as possible yes soloing is probably fastest.

however it is my opinion that it completely bypasses the whole point of playing EQ, and 80% of the awesome content.

last night me and my regular group went to sol a, it was a rocking group, we talked, had fun, got decent exp, at about midnight right before we were going to log , we decide to try and pull 2 gnome bots, we got a few adds including singe, things went south fast, and we all died, I was bound in oogok, and the rest in FP or lavastorm, a handful of see invis mobs popped between us and our corpses, the CR was a nightmare and took an hour , keeping everyone up past their bed time who had work the next morning.

THAT is what EQ is all about, hard as nails, balls deep in trouble, no win situation, and coming together and working as a team to accomplish something that you shouldn't be able to accomplish otherwise.

sure I lost some exp, sure at the time we were all pulling our hair out, but that is also probably the most fun, and the most truly classic experience I have had so far on this server, you just don't get to experience awesome shit like that soloing.

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[Troy]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks Rhezzin. Always nice playing with you.



No, it isn't, as long as the players are being played independently by two separate people. It's terribly difficult to prove that they aren't as an outside observer, but I have been sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that boxing powerleveling was happening on several occasions and petitioned the players.


Last night I managed to luck into a mistmoore yard trash group. There was a list to get into the group that I waited about 30 minutes on, and we constantly had people asking to be added to the list.

These people could have made their own group and one of us moved to graveyard but an orge SK was being powerleveled there and they were taking so many mobs that they started pulling from tunnel and tunnel entrance trash, so there were barely enough for us to kill most of the time.

Funny thing? I was the group leader, played for roughly 24 hours straight in MM clearing yard trash and the Ogre was the nicest PL'er we ran into. There was another one (ahem Divinity - PL'ing a MAGE!? WTF?) that just came in and started pulling from our camp and anything else they could find in the zone. I really wanted to just quit the game at that point but after a few hours the mage outleveled me and they left. I was getting extremely bitchy at the time though: I've had 6 people at a camp for 18 hours and some clown thinks he can just come in and take mobs from it without even asking because they've been up for 10 seconds?

On the plus side, the people in my group seem to be getting smarter as I level up. I only died once during these 24 hours from people focusing DPS on the rootparked melee add instead of the caster nuking me to death! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe when I get to 40 or so there will be no more PL'ers in the way of actual groups?

[Troy]

Also, for those looking to compare group vs. solo XP: I played for 24 hours in MM with a good ZEM and was chain pulling for at least 20 hours of that. In that time I gained 5 levels (23-28). This is as an uber-twink wielding Dragon Claws + EBW + FBSS, but in a full group the whole time.

My mage, completely untwinked, went from 22 to 29 solo at SK centaurs in ~10 hours with no ZEM and no group bonus and not chain pulling anything.

[Arclanz]

Troy go post that on the group xp thread thingie :P

[Enderenter]

I don't think there's that big of a discrepancy between solo and group xp, there are just several factors that often cause group xp to be worse if you are a player who knows what you are doing:

1. What I like to call "Lowest Common Denominator" syndrome. The players in the group all play as lazily/poorly as the worst player in the group, because they don't want to carry the group or just don't care.
2. Waiting in line for groups when most dungeons are full. (far less convenient to wait 30 minutes to an hour to find a group than to just start killing stuff on your own)

However, group xp's downside (vs solo) is somewhat mitigated by the following negative factors:

1. Good solo spots are almost always taken at 40+, (Oasis/Feerott/OoT Specs, HGs etc) and often don't open up for many, many hours.
2. Most classes in classic, no matter how twinked, cannot solo efficiently past level 30.

Ultimately, I agree with Reiker on the point of solo vs. group (assuming all players involved are reasonably skilled, knowledgeable, or just able to follow simple instructions) being convenience vs efficiency. Obviously, some classes in classic are just ridiculously good at soloing for xp, (Mage, Necro, Chanter etc) and some classes are just ridiculously bad at it (Rogue, Warrior). But even in the case of Mages, (who are by all accounts incredibly overpowered at solo on P99, far more than they were on classic) put 6 Mages in a group together, and if there are enough mobs to kill, the XP will be better than a solo mage.