SO.. BUSH WAS AN IDIOT??

[Lictor]

You guys realize global warming is a complete joke right? It is all big corporation/big money pumping dollars into a political party to keep the ignorant public persuaded either to the left or to the right. There is plenty of scientific data on both sides of the argument showing both sides fabricate statistics to sway voters to one side or the other, thus increases both sides pocket books.

[Emsee]

You at this point should be bitch slapped if you believe Global Warming is a farce. Watch less Faux news, scumbags.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

um, not to get into semantics but the amount of evidence against global warming is so great they changed the term to climate change

No, they changed it to "climate change" because that's the more scientifically accurate term: global warming makes it sound like the weather just gets warmer, but because of how the climate works it actually gets cooler/dryer/wetter/etc. in different areas, not just warmer.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lictor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is plenty of scientific data on both sides of the argument showing both sides fabricate statistics to sway voters to one side or the other, thus increases both sides pocket books.

See, you are buying in to what the oil and gas companies want. There is overwhelming evidence FOR climate change/global warming, and then there are a few screwballs on the edge who are paid for by big oil and gas. Those screwballs make it look like there is "plenty of scientific data on both sides", and to a non-climate scientist like you or I it certainly seems that way. But if you look at the surveys, 95% of climate scientists, the people that have devoted their lives to studying this stuff, believe climate change is both real and man-made:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys...climate_change

[Faron]

Originally Posted by Emsee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You at this point should be bitch slapped if you believe Global Warming is a farce. Watch less Faux news, scumbags.

Haha I get it. It's spelled kinda like Fox, but the word means fake in another language. Wit! I get my news from the objective level heads as CNN and MSNBC. They call it right down the middle.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

global warming makes it sound like the weather just gets warmer

But that was exactly the argument all through the 80s and 90s. The entire point of this issue is to create more regulation, i.e. bigger government, more taxes, and have people pay more for energy, all under the guise of the feel-good issue that the plebs will swallow whole: that we're saving the environment. It's pretty annoying.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Faron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The entire point of this issue is to create more regulation, i.e. bigger government, more taxes, and have people pay more for energy, all under the guise of the feel-good issue that the plebs will swallow whole: that we're saving the environment. It's pretty annoying.

Ok, let me get this straight: you think there's a bunch of people in government that just want more government, and those people have somehow secretly convinced 95% of the climate scientists on the planet to say that climate change is real when it isn't ... all just so that we can have more taxes.

Yeah, it could be that ... or maybe, just maybe, the people who study the climate see that the earth is getting fucked up and they want to do something to prevent it. I think my version makes a bit more sense, personally.

[loramin]

P.S. Your signature is almost hypnotic when you have the right music playing in the background.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, let me get this straight: you think there's a bunch of people in government that just want more government, and those people have somehow secretly convinced 95% of the climate scientists on the planet to say that climate change is real when it isn't ... all just so that we can have more taxes.

"The struggle against poverty in the world and the challenge of cutting wealthy country emissions, all has a single, very simple solution. … Here it is: Put a price on carbon.” — Al Gore

[Glenzig]

A reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be 1 billion. At the more frugal European standard of living, 2 to 3 billion would be possible.
Quoting: United Nations, Global Biodiversity Assessment



A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.
Quoting: Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor



… the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion.
Quoting: Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind



One America burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say in order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it's just as bad not to say it.
Quoting: Jacques Cousteau, UNESCO Courier



If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.
Quoting: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund



I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.
Quoting: John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal



The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.
Quoting: Christopher Manes, Earth First!



Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.
Quoting: David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club



In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.
Quoting: Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution

[Deldanko]

how does charging for Carbon cure poverty?