What is BDA doing to work towards a raid agreement?

[Sadad]

Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also BDA is the largest guild on the server and has the most people online any given point of day 24/7. Tier 2? I think not.

If we are the biggest guild on the server, it's because people want to play our style of EQ rather than yours. It's not an indication that we should play your style of EQ.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Sadad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we are the biggest guild on the server, it's because people want to play our style of EQ rather than yours. It's not an indication that we should play your style of EQ.

Sure as hell doesn't mean you are entitled to terrorize the rest of the server with fucking ridiculous demands.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure as hell doesn't mean you are entitled to terrorize the rest of the server with fucking ridiculous demands.

If you truly see it as ridiculous, you really need to read some theory about what is fairness, and then really question what your definition of fair is. You'll find you're terribly mistaken. Fairness as defined the way you have been, to justify these claims as ridiculous, is archaic. To say that BDA has been "terrorizing" is rather silly, given the entire argument from the guild through the negotiations has been about defending the equal rights of those that seek to enjoy this game in a different way than your conception of fun, in their sense of what is a classic EverQuest experience. You are the one seeking to maintain every inch of power by asserting and forcing your play style over the rest of the server to force them to play the game the way you want, and in other words, make them come down to your level.

[kotton05]

you act like you don't want our playstyle or that our playstyle is so wrong, but you def batphoned vox tal draco all at varying hours from early early morning/mid day/late night. so don't act like you have some play style that's so unique and diff than us. FE did what they had to do to get pixels from TMO unlike most.

[Swifty]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you act like you don't want our playstyle or that our playstyle is so wrong, but you def batphoned vox tal draco all at varying hours from early early morning/mid day/late night. so don't act like you have some play style that's so unique and diff than us. .

30 BDA logs in 30 secs after Vox pop, Casual as fuck.

[Verenity]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you act like you don't want our playstyle or that our playstyle is so wrong, but you def batphoned vox tal draco all at varying hours from early early morning/mid day/late night. so don't act like you have some play style that's so unique and diff than us. FE did what they had to do to get pixels from TMO unlike most.

The ignorance is astounding. It's cool though, this isn't the first time a hardcore guild has had an odd obsession with flaming BDA. Funny, the last time it was happening it was when we as a guild tried to do exactly what FE is trying to do now and we decided that it wasn't worth it.

Congrats that all your hard work is finally starting to pay off, but don't act like what you're doing makes you so superior to us or any other guild who doesn't want to play how you do.

[BlkCamel]

I know I have no standing on this but here would be my tier's and what separates them.

Tier 1: TMO/FE,IB/BDA
Tier 2: Every other guild on the server.

Here is why. Tier 1 guilds prior to all of this were actively competing for Raid targets against each other. All 3 guilds Forum-quested and socked multiple in game targets trying to get as much as they could.

Tier 2 guilds either went along their business or only targeted 1 or 2 targets that were important to their guild. They were not actively trying to engage the other guilds on every Raid Target.

TMO/IB,FE/BDA were all neck n neck in both forum-questing and Everquest-ing on multiple raid targets. I did not see this from the other guilds and that is what separates tier 1 from tier 2. Tier 1 guilds want to compete for all Raid Targets and get as much as they can. Tier 2 guilds just seem to want a piece of the pie and are happy to have it. Tier 2 guilds may change targets from time to time but they are not trying to monopolize content like tier 1 guilds are.

Some will argue Taken should be included if BDA is but if using the above criteria, I say no way.

As far as VP is concerned. It is the top raiding content in the game. If you are competing for VP loot you are a Tier 1 guild. If anything this is a separate qualifier not related to the previous argument. A guild like Taken, or A-team, or Divinity. If they go after VP loot they must accept they are doing the highest tier content in this game and are Tier 1 guilds no questions asked.

If a guild wants to stay tier 2 or claim tier 2 status, all they have to do is stay out of VP, and not contest every raid mob on the server. The second you do either it is clear where you stand.

If BDA wants to be a tier 2 guild give them that chance, but remind them that this means they cannot compete on every mob. If they want to, then they accept their Tier 1 status.

[Swifty]

Originally Posted by BlkCamel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tier 1: TMO/FE,IB/BDA
Tier 1 status.

Donde esta la Taken?

[BlkCamel]

Originally Posted by Swifty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Donde esta la Taken?

Originally Posted by BlkCamel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tier 1: TMO/FE,IB/BDA
Tier 2: Every other guild on the server.

TMO/IB,FE/BDA were all neck n neck in both forum-questing and Everquest-ing on multiple raid targets. I did not see this from the other guilds and that is what separates tier 1 from tier 2. Tier 1 guilds want to compete for all Raid Targets and get as much as they can. Tier 2 guilds just seem to want a piece of the pie and are happy to have it. Tier 2 guilds may change targets from time to time but they are not trying to monopolize content like tier 1 guilds are.

Some will argue Taken should be included if BDA is but if using the above criteria, I say no way.

Taken does not compete for every mob, nor from the outside appear to want to.

[Razdeline]

Originally Posted by Verenity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ignorance is astounding. It's cool though, this isn't the first time a hardcore guild has had an odd obsession with flaming BDA. Funny, the last time it was happening it was when we as a guild tried to do exactly what FE is trying to do now and we decided that it wasn't worth it.

Congrats that all your hard work is finally starting to pay off, but don't act like what you're doing makes you so superior to us or any other guild who doesn't want to play how you do.

But the ones that did think it was worth it broke off and formed FE. Your history is missing that fine detail [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]