Bandwagon Proposal Thread.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Racun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm simply trying to make the point that any agreement needs to not be about making concessions to give up targets to other guilds, but rather about improving the spirit of competition in the current raiding environment, and none of the agreements presented by TMO or FE seek to achieve this.

You are misinformed or disingenuous. Which is it?

[sanforce]

I like this plan. It leaves competition in place while giving Tier B guilds a chance to kill targets. They can kill any target with this plan, and will be upgraded to a Tier A guild if they are successful at it.

[Racun]

Show me where in your current proposal you are going to improve the spirit of competition rather than giving up lesser raid targets to other guilds.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Racun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show me where in your current proposal you are going to improve the spirit of competition rather than giving up lesser raid targets to other guilds.

My agreement eliminates DA Stalling, Poopsocking, (also giving up targets is improving the spirit significantly) It also allows Tier B to forward progress if they choose and to create whatever raid mechanics they want during tier b raids.

[Clark]

Also Autotune needs to take a chill pill

[Racun]

Yet you wont agree to no FTE sniping which is effectively the same as DA stalling - I'm talking about FTE sniping where your FTE is not followed by an immediate engage.

Your motives for wanting DA stalling and poopsocking removed are why this isn't about improving the spirit of competition vs. improving things for TMO. You wanted DA stalling removed prior to TMO's suspension due to the fact you were losing targets to FE/IB as they were using this tactic. You want poopsocking removed as this is the only way smaller guilds can compete as they don't have an alt army to log out at raid targets.

Present a proposal that improves the raid environment for everyone rather than just improving the raid environment for just the top guilds and I'm sure you will have more people agreeing to it.

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by Racun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Present a proposal that improves the raid environment for everyone rather than just improving the raid environment for just the top guilds and I'm sure you will have more people agreeing to it.

Have you not read most of this thread?

You've already answered this question in the literal sense by the content of your replies, but I'm asking you rhetorically in the hopes that you might get over yourself and figure out that this is a working proposal here.

[sanforce]

This plan drastically increases the number of targets that Tier B guilds currently see (a large improvement). Tier B guilds getting together to completely ruin the spirit of competition shouldn't be taken seriously. These are large guilds, but they aren't true raid guilds because the can't/won't compete. It's humorous to think that their share all plans would have any traction. Alarti has come up with a sensible plan that improves the raid scene, is easy to follow/understand, and gives Tier B a clear path to becoming a competitive raid guild. I don't see what's not to like, other than Tier B wanting everything placed in their lap with only ForumQuest effort.

[Racun]

If that's the case then everyone will be in here agreeing to the proposal and I will be proven wrong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll make this clear too.

Im more than willing to be raid suspended for a week, or a month, or longer, if that's what its going to take for a proper agreement. This doesn't hurt me. This doesn't hurt the smaller guilds.
Not sure if I can say that about everyone in the top Guilds though so you had better think about that.