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Nirgon · #1 12-23-2013, 04:22 PM

More to the point, banning people who have put in 30x the amount of time as you who had nothing to do with duping plat isn't a "good thing". It's just lowering the population. Which, I would hope none of you want.

I'd wish since Rogean is naming and shaming, he would list the others not in TMO that were banned as a result. But that might not do well for public image.

hatelore · #2 12-23-2013, 04:28 PM

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More to the point, banning people who have put in 30x the amount of time as you who had nothing to do with duping plat isn't a "good thing". It's just lowering the population. Which, I would hope none of you want.

I'd wish since Rogean is naming and shaming, he would list the others not in TMO that were banned as a result. But that might not do well for public image.

Really? You are sure they put in 30x more then me, or peeps in my guild or other guilds? You are also sure rogean just swung a big ol ban hammer blindly too right? I am pretty sure, you know, since we are all so sure and all... That you are talking out of your ass.

Alarti0001 · #3 12-23-2013, 04:32 PM

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Really? You are sure they put in 30x more then me, or peeps in my guild or other guilds? You are also sure rogean just swung a big ol ban hammer blindly too right? I am pretty sure, you know, since we are all so sure and all... That you are talking out of your ass.

I'm sure.

Kagatob · #4 12-23-2013, 04:33 PM

He's still spinning it. Get a life man.

Nirgon · #5 12-23-2013, 04:35 PM

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Really? You are sure they put in 30x more then me, or peeps in my guild or other guilds? You are also sure rogean just swung a big ol ban hammer blindly too right? I am pretty sure, you know, since we are all so sure and all... That you are talking out of your ass.

If you think 106 people were independently using this bug and it didn't leak outside of the guild...

I don't even know what to tell you.

Consider also how many non-TMO accounts were banned (20ish?) and it didn't leak to the general masses either.

Since Liia was banned, was everyone in the A-Team doing it too? I suspect Liia, nor any other A-Team members were doing it either.

So sorry that objective reasoning has made you an enemy of me.

The fact you would want other players banned because of a guild tag, whether they did anything or not, does not speak well of you.

Alarti0001 · #6 12-23-2013, 04:36 PM

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If you think 106 people were independently using this bug and it didn't leak outside of the guild...

I don't even know what to tell you.

Consider also how many non-TMO accounts were banned (20ish?) and it didn't leak to the general masses either.

Since Liia was banned, was everyone in the A-Team doing it too? I suspect Liia, nor any other A-Team members were doing it either.

So sorry that objective reasoning has made you an enemy of me.

The fact you would want other players banned because of a guild tag, whether they did anything or not, does not speak well of you.

Nirgon forum hero.

hatelore · #7 12-23-2013, 04:37 PM

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If you think 106 people were independently using this bug and it didn't leak outside of the guild...

I don't even know what to tell you.

Consider also how many non-TMO accounts were banned (20ish?) and it didn't leak to the general masses either.

Since Liia was banned, was everyone in the A-Team doing it too? I suspect Liia, nor any other A-Team members were doing it either.

So sorry that objective reasoning has made you an enemy of me.

The fact you would want other players banned because of a guild tag, whether they did anything or not, does not speak well of you.

For one, I don't consider you an enemy. For two, you probably shouldn't attempt to input words into my mouth. I trust that if Rogean swung that ban hammer, there was a definite purpose for it.

Nirgon · #8 12-23-2013, 04:58 PM

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For one, I don't consider you an enemy.

You seemed not to like me a great deal. Saying I was talking out of my ass etc. Okay tho, pals.

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For two, you probably shouldn't attempt to input words into my mouth. I trust that if Rogean swung that ban hammer, there was a definite purpose for it.

I didn't put words in your mouth. I strongly questioned that you really thought that even 10% of the # of people banned were using said exploit. Personally, I'd think in the case of those banned and the fact it didn't leak out that they were being greedy and abusing it for personal use.

This reinforces my point of permanent ban lists and these 2 players should never be able to reroll on any server. That's a real fix to the problem, weeding out and ELIMINATING people who've been banned. Uthgaard was all about this in the great
3rd party program scandal.

Interestingly, Rogean has gone with the more extreme Uthgaard type approach, but I'm not sure if he has attempted to (or if anyone really has the time to) see who was really benefitting from it. I guess its safer that people stay banned until he figures out who really was part of said crime ring. And I'm sorry to say I'd support that because it could be months. But to be sure on a few things.

#1 - no rerolling for anyone found to be using or benefitting from said bug. Immediately applicable to Froovy/Internode.
#2 - unbanning or perma banning per investigation of players on a case by case basis, as cases are investigated... however long it takes

I'm absolutely all for banning people, but take the right approach even if people have to be locked down in ban mode for sharing info with known suspects.

Further, if you think TMO's (let's say esp Loly's) opinion of them getting caught is "oh well too bad!"... I doubt it. I'm sure they are furious at these two INDIVIDUALS (so far!) that caused this problem to the server they play on. Further, I'm sure if they were caught doing it at any time by Zeelot (for instance) they'd be gkicked.

Or, wouldn't the guild bank, if they were widely abusing this have been banned in the process? If I was Rogean I would be looking into how much duplicated plat were on known (obvious, look for Trak BPs) guild bank accounts before refusing to remove the ban of anyone in TMO. I think the public outing was a good thing because at best, it will be a stern reminder to guild officers that they are responsible for the actions of their members. At worst, a guild of more successful try hards you don't like got disbanded for something 99% of them didn't do.

radditsu · #9 12-23-2013, 05:02 PM

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More to the point, banning people who have put in 30x the amount of time as you who had nothing to do with duping plat isn't a "good thing". It's just lowering the population. Which, I would hope none of you want.

I'd wish since Rogean is naming and shaming, he would list the others not in TMO that were banned as a result. But that might not do well for public image.

They should be banned if they are being shitheads to people just because they can. People were banned for less on live. and that shit is for real classic.

Look, i understand what and why your point is. I personally can give a shit about pixels. I never got one pixel in my time with FE, never asked. If i wanted to pixel I have tons of characters on other boxes.

Nirgon the issue at hand, for me anyway, is that the Uber guild imperialist bullshit needs to end. TMO is not better than anybody else. Hell, they violated the server by destabilizing a market that would be complete shit (due to timeline)without the dupes.

It is not a stretch of the imagination that they used this+real+ cornering of high market items to invest in toons that they could park and create an insurmountable advantage. That's great for the 6-7 people who would truly benefit the said system(RMT,Epenis,etc). The hundreds of people who want to have a world outside of EQ, that is the epitome of rediculousness. You never had to come CLOSE to working this hard for pixels on a live server.

On live you put in 30 days of solid PM raiding and you got in a guild, then depending on the rules of said guild you got loot. I ran a raiding guild, i know how it worked.

Do I really think all of TMO are dirty scumbags? Nope. Do i think more than 2 people know about what went down with the duping? Absolfuckingloutely. Friends talk to each other. Those guys were friends with EVERYBODY it seems. Combined with the absolute anonymous-ness of the internet and the game we play, the likelyhood is near 100%. The entirety of TMO, since IB left anyway, is Gordon Gecko levels of greed.

The TMO corporation has ruined what "fun" the endgame of eq is. Rogean should have done with the SEC does in situations like this and remove every dragon scale, every trak tooth, every Trak BP banked by TMO. No redistribution, just deleted. Corporations get hellva fines for breaking the rules.....eventually.

If TMO wants to adjust and start working with the community. I would love and champion them. The cancers that are in that guild need to be cut out. (Alarti, suprisingly, isn't a cancer in game), If they want race for targets, great. If they don't break kite rules...wonderful. Competition is GOOD. Monopoly is bad. Even Medieval wars had rules.

Cut this head off and let a new uber guild arise. If they do not play by the rules/cheat, delete their guild too. Do you really want a replication of Fennin Ro here?

Alarti0001 · #10 12-23-2013, 05:13 PM

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Do I really think all of TMO are dirty scumbags? Nope. Do i think more than 2 people know about what went down with the duping? Absolfuckingloutely. Friends talk to each other. Those guys were friends with EVERYBODY it seems. Combined with the absolute anonymous-ness of the internet and the game we play, the likelyhood is near 100%. The entirety of TMO, since IB left anyway, is Gordon Gecko levels of greed.

Enjoy your belief.... its not based on any evidence. Even the GM's think it was just those 2 players.