12-08-2013, 05:49 PM
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Planar Protector
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Metropolis
Posts: 5,147
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Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly
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Just sounds like a rules clarification is needed. Raid rules are patched together as it is, and GMs seem to have the final say regardless of the rules. P99 is basically mega city 1.
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Originally Posted by Tanthallas
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1. We had three FTEs before your snipe wherein you obtained the fourth and final FTE; if you are really that fucking retarded to think that at this point it was possible to camp people out without wiping an entire force, I feel very bad for you. The ability to snipe FTE, especially in the context of one guild getting the first three FTE messages while another gets the fourth and last - should not allow one guild to force the other to wipe. IF you are not prepared to engage and hold aggro, do not go in and try to snipe FTE - it would be one thing if Imba sank in insane amount of aggro generating clickies, but as evidenced in the FRAPs he did not. TMO was CLEARLY not prepared at all to actually engage CT at the instance where they snipped FTE, which is evident by even their own members admitting that their raid was at the North-East corner while all of FE / IB forces where directly ontop of CT. Actually, their whole raid wasnt even at NE corner - half of them were RUNNING to NE corner from the zone in. This used to be punishable by suspension and other action if it continued; when the fuck did this become a legitimate raid maneuver - it is douchbaggery at its finest.
2. FTE sniping, per the staff, is now completely legal and not frowned upon in any effective way. To say that this isnt a recent change due to the implementation of yellow text is pure blinders / ignorance. When FE first started competing with TMO, Sirken himself refused me loot many times on many instances where FE had FTE simply because 'FE did not have a sufficient force engage'. This was regardless of what TMO did during our FTE and in what way TMO caused any harm upon our ability to engage on our FTE.
3. FTE messages WERE NOT put in to make FTE sniping the standard for raiding - they were put in to minimize confusion as to who had FTE so that people who SNIPED were not rewarded. FTE sniping was punished in the past quite frequently, and for a long time considered as a form of raid interference. Instead of FTE shouts being a way in which their initial purpose could be fulfilled, this wonderful yellow text has become an easy way for the staff to avoid the context of any situation and merely point at what the yellow text says for the solution to everything. This ALLOWS FTE sniping to run rampant - any guild which chooses to not behave accordingly - i.e., not FTE snipe / react to FTE snipes in some idealized fashion - gets fucked, as is evident by the recent rulings. The mechanism put in to allow guilds who are attempting to get clean engages and to hurt douchbag sniping behavior is now used to defend sniping - how ironic.
4. Sorry dad.
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^ This
Also what's with all the TMO Tomfoolery in here. Is embarrassing you guys are low class lmao. |
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