Veeshan's Peak Training - Page 12

Rellapse35 · #**111** 11-03-2013, 09:12 AM

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Smedy · #**112** 11-03-2013, 09:13 AM

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Anyway, I've got my shit, don't really mind not raiding it, but it's just a huge blow to a pvp server to allow three people to effectively shut down the end game raid zone.

u know whats a huge blow to a pvp server?

grief everyone off the server by actively recruiting everybody and not letting an healthy opposition form against you.

training is healthy for the server, if you could have your way you'd rather see azrael gone and you could farm vp and everything else in peace, it's happened before and nihilum was thriving more then ever at that time.

Pudge · #**113** 11-03-2013, 09:20 AM

Oh my god the QQs in here are flooding my internets.

BUT WE CANT KILL THE TRAINERZ! DEY HAVE BARD SPEED! WE NEED OUR PATHING EXPLOIT IT'S NOT FAIR!

Holy shit

Rellapse35 · #**114** 11-03-2013, 09:22 AM

Nilly should be raid suspended for exploiting tho

Kinamara · #**115** 11-03-2013, 09:22 AM

If I could have it my way, there would be pvp over the raid targets. Ideally 2-3 guilds taking turns on winning the fights. Thank you for telling me what my opinion is though.

I will give you that nihilum due to superior gear and tactics (and sometimes numbers) have been owning azrael in general and therefore azrael didn't really get many pixels.

However, what is being enforced atm regarding VP is just counterproductive. If a guild wants to raid VP, they will need enough people inside VP to slay the dragons and enough people outside to kill the res box trainers and their guards. So we have two options if we wish to do VP: Recruit every player available on the server effectively making it blue, or just forget about VP. I think both options are equally retarded.

Server was thriving for a few weeks while azrael tried. Now they gave up and resorted to training and crying to gms on forums, which resulted in loots being dealt out at GM events and nihilum getting people banned. I hope you can see how great this looks to people that would potentially had started playing here.

Rellapse35 · #**116** 11-03-2013, 09:25 AM

nilly can't claim ignorance on that ledge

They need a raid suspension for exploiting, period.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=68664

Smedy · #**117** 11-03-2013, 09:29 AM

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However, what is being enforced atm regarding VP is just counterproductive. If a guild wants to raid VP, they will need enough people inside VP to slay the dragons and enough people outside to kill the res box trainers and their guards. So we have two options if we wish to do VP: Recruit every player available on the server effectively making it blue, or just forget about VP. I think both options are equally retarded.

Well if you're not using velious as an exuse to open the recruitment and fuck the server, it's the vp thing.

Before we trained vp nihilum were still recruiting, everytime the opposition comes to the point where nihilum can loose a few bosses you open recruitment and actively seek out core people with "pixel packages" in order to secure the dragons you really don't even need.

You're killing the server by doing this, it's not like you wouldn't secure every single raid item in the game by recruiting if you weren't getting trained in VP.

I'm sorry your guild is based on loots and the only reason people logon is to raid VP, you made it this way but trying to change rules that have been set in stone even before kunark came out on red seems retarded, simply recruit more people and deal with it

Pudge · #**118** 11-03-2013, 09:36 AM

Smedy just read your sig again. Your traitors and sell outs thread might need an update to include some recent bluebifications...

Nothxu · #**119** 11-03-2013, 09:40 AM

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When IB or Tmo could not kill the mobs due to one side training the other. The guild leaders set in a rotation. They did not create 100 threads of tears about how they can't PVE on a PVP server.

By rotation you mean take turns killing the dragons? So they couldn't kill the dragons then when there was training? That is my point.

Kinamara · #**120** 11-03-2013, 09:43 AM

Smedy, I think we can agree that one big guild taking everything is not good for the server. I'm against having 60 people to kill Trakanon - this is actually what my point was in the previous post.

If opposition brings 50, sure we would do what we could to bring a fight that can match it. I see no problems with this. The issue can then be summarized: nihilum has historically had more loot available, that can now be used to buy players. In other words: The top guild has to pay a price if there's competition. Fair and square.

I just do not see how it is any good that nihilum has to recruit a massive zerg to attempt VP, if it is not strictly required for the PVE part of it, and would not be strictly required if the opposition had to bring a raid force able to contest the dragons. It means there will be 60 people at trakanon to get their precious DKP and the opposition will then see 0 loots from any mob we have the timer on and want to take.

If opposition came to VP with an actual raid, pvp would determine who gets to attempt the dragons, rather than 3 people preventing them from being killed at all by res box training.