About Spawn variance.... - Page 12

Evorix · #1 07-24-2010, 10:42 AM

I'm done with this post, think what you would like. You opinion is nothing to me. I would suggest a GM taking another look at the coding as a RANDOM variance would have a spawn outside of the 24/48 window in a couple months time.

Chicka · #2 07-24-2010, 10:53 AM

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I'm done with this post, think what you would like. You opinion is nothing to me. I would suggest a GM taking another look at the coding as a RANDOM variance would have a spawn outside of the 24/48 window in a couple months time.

Really? Random is supposed to be unpredictable - how can you predict such an outcome in such a time frame without introducing a probability that such an event would occur. It definitely isn't definite.

We need more graphs people. More graphs. And math classes.

Cyrius · #3 07-24-2010, 10:51 AM

The spawn variance for Maestro of Rancor and a Dracoliche is + / - 24 hours, and for Innoruuk, Cazic Thule, Lord Nagafen and Lady Vox it is + / - 48 hours. Now stop the flaming and get back on topic or this wil be locked and moved to rants and flames.

Evorix · #4 07-24-2010, 10:53 AM

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The spawn variance for Maestro of Rancor and a Dracoliche is + / - 24 hours, and for Innoruuk, Cazic Thule, Lord Nagafen and Lady Vox it is + / - 48 hours. Now stop the flaming and get back on topic or this wil be locked and moved to rants and flames.

Im still going to have to slightly disagree. If this is true then the window is not random as it would have spawned outside of these windows within a couple months time period. and has not.

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Chicka · #5 07-24-2010, 11:15 AM

Getting back on topic.

So yea, I have an ulterior motive for suggesting FTE - I would like to play the game. I'd like to play my main, I'd like to play alts, I'd like to... do stuff.

Could we possibly have a raid scene that included that? Pretty please?

Uaellaen · #6 07-24-2010, 11:17 AM

wich proves again that none of you can read ... devs / gms etc. have claimed numerous times that FFA wont happen here ... still you keep asking for it ... devs / gms stated numerous times that spawns on patch wont happen ... yet you still keep asking for it ...

gms / devs stating that the spawn variance is this and this, and yet you claim to know better ...

see a pattern yet?

Chicka · #7 07-24-2010, 11:23 AM

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drivel

Please stop your frickin non-constructive posts that contradict your opinion of yourself. FTE != FFA, in FFA I train your sorry ass until the zone is mine or I get the KS crew in to snoop the mob, in FTE I attack the mob first, you get the hell out of my way. These things are different.

Wrei · #8 07-24-2010, 11:29 AM

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wich proves again that none of you can read ... devs / gms etc. have claimed numerous times that FFA wont happen here ... still you keep asking for it ... devs / gms stated numerous times that spawns on patch wont happen ... yet you still keep asking for it ...

gms / devs stating that the spawn variance is this and this, and yet you claim to know better ...

see a pattern yet?

Ok so you're saying that the current system is fixed in stone so why bother asking for changes? From the first raid rules to rotation to camping, there were changes introduced as players demanded to try something else. It's clear that as long as one guild is willing to camp other guilds will do so to compete against them. So now up coming raiding guilds will now have a requirement of sitting 24/7 at a boss spawn to get a shot at them. It'll be awesome to witness 15+ x 5 raiding guild on "each" available raid target 24/7 then told not to camp if you don't like camping. By the time Kunark rolls out we'll see 15+ x 12 raiding guild sitting for trackanon... great plan there too.

Camping or rotation is retarded on limited content when there's going to be several raiding guilds coming in to the scene. We've tried all the other methods why not try FFA first to engage for a few weeks? Theorizing how it'd be the death of the server is nice but seriously I don't think it would be that much worse than the current situation. If GM's told up front they'll ignore the whine petitions for the 2 weeks and let the players "figure it out", you might be surprised at the outcome.

Chicka · #9 07-24-2010, 11:57 AM

But it's also pointless. The next 50 spawns could be inside +-24 hrs, but they could also be outside. That's just what happens with probability, its probable, not definite. Betting on it doesn't prove anything.

Now, if you were arguing that the RNG used by the random number generator was flawed such that its distribution was skewed, then that is another matter. If you were arguing that there was insufficient entropy for the seed such that spawns could be predicted, then again that is another matter.

However, gods have not spawned enough on this server to even statistically determine those things - possibly even if we had perfect data.

But lets please let this rest - it's not the point of the thread.

Valent · #10 07-24-2010, 11:59 AM

If you are not willing to bet your account, we can lower the ante. I am taking all bets. How can you pass up 8 chances at 50/50 odds?