Patch Notes, Tuesday July 13th

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Aposi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some people

Fuck you.

[mmiles8]

At this point the thread is becoming embarassing to read, and folks can't even find information about the patch, or the dispute that spawned this garbage that this has devolved into. It's time to switch to PMs, the thread isn't all about which of the two of you will get the last word.

If you can't behave, this thread is going to wind up locked, and quite likely every patch note thread in the future.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yendor, you're a sick bitch. Can't you see that you and others like you are in the wrong place to try and fix shit? If you have a specific issues, post it in bugs. If you are still mad, gtfo. Nobody gives a shit what you think or why. You're upsetting the people who are the only reason we can all play EQ, and that upsets me, and SHOULD be upsetting the rest of this fucking community. Just shut the fuck up dude. Go whine to your mommy. Nobody here cares. Nobody is even listening to you at all, except the people you are bitching at, who do this shit out of a labor of love that literally has brought them out of fucking pocket in time and cash for the last ~2? years. Nilbog is the only guy who gives a flying fuck WHAT you have to say, and now even he is pissed off to the point of removing access to himself from the rest of us because you and fucking dipshits like you can't shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up.

I'm sorry... was this the Rants & Flames forum? I don't think I said anywhere in this thread that I am mad or whining (I'm sure you'll be the first to prove me wrong if I did, however.) I believe I respectfully asked a question to the devs about a consistency issue. The only time I think I may have slightly crossed the line is when I gave the opinion that it was a bit hypocritical. If that's what set you off... I apologize.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry... was this the Rants & Flames forum? I don't think I said anywhere in this thread that I am mad or whining (I'm sure you'll be the first to prove me wrong if I did, however.) I believe I respectfully asked a question to the devs about a consistency issue. The only time I think I may have slightly crossed the line is when I gave the opinion that it was a bit hypocritical. If that's what set you off... I apologize.

I was very clear about what set me off. Shut up.

[doacleric]

Well, this thread certainly got out of hand quickly.

As i've stated before, this change was made because it did not make sense from a risk vs reward based standpoint. I never said killing guards was an exploit. Nothing is stopping you from killing guards right now. The only difference is that you will level at the same speed as you would in a comparable level 30+ dungeon. Killing guards has downsides - losing valuable faction, no possibility of common/rare drops, etc. However, it also has its upsides - generally easier to kill because they are outdoors. This makes sense. Having guards spawn 4x faster did not make sense, and I believe everyone here can agree to that.

Verant made these changes back in 2000 when guard killing not only became widespread, but started to become the de-facto method of leveling up for everyone. As this was not Verant's original intention for guards, it was changed. Had guard killing became rampant in 2002 instead of 2000, Verant would have caught on then, and changed it. Same as if guard killing would have caught on in 1999, Verant would have fixed it then. I'm certain that guard killing DID occur back in 1999, but more than likely flew under the radar enough for Verant to not notice.

Bottom line is, Verant NEVER intended to guards to be hunted at 4x the speed of a dungeon. When they noticed that this was happening, it was changed. Realistically, guards should never have been spawning 4x faster on P1999, as it was imbalancing from a leveling viewpoint, and also to the in-game economy. Thats why it was changed now, even though we were a little late to catch on. There is no strange "we are going out of order to the timeline!!!!!!!!!" conspiracy going on.

One thing you guys need to realize is that we all have lives - families, jobs, school, etc. We work on this server in our free time. And because we spend our free time working on this server, it leaves us with little to no time to actually PLAY on this server. Believe it or not, most of us devs do not have the time to actually sit back and enjoy P1999. So take a deep breath, relax, and enjoy P1999 if you like. We certainly aren't forcing your hand to play.

[Falisaty]

well im just trying to figure out why the times were changed.... the reason that was given is very vague in the least and to say it was unbalanced is not an answer its like answering why did u kill a man and saying because...doesn't work. im not mad im just surprised it was changed and would like a better explanation than they were unbalanced. Someone states that we who were killing said guards were exploiting still does not make since because if that's the case then anyone who is killing any mob in the game is exploiting.

Now to u has been bad seriously take a chill pill and get over yourself if u take everything so seriously on this forum you are going to end up having a stroke and dieing. Chill out its only words, and try to be nicer on your responses. IMHO u are part of the problem and def need to be muted.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Falisaty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well im just trying to figure out why the times were changed.... the reason that was given is very vague in the least and to say it was unbalanced is not an answer its like answering why did u kill a man and saying because...doesn't work. im not mad im just surprised it was changed and would like a better explanation than they were unbalanced. Someone states that we who were killing said guards were exploiting still does not make since because if that's the case then anyone who is killing any mob in the game is exploiting.

Now to u has been bad seriously take a chill pill and get over yourself if u take everything so seriously on this forum you are going to end up having a stroke and dieing. Chill out its only words, and try to be nicer on your responses. IMHO u are part of the problem and def need to be muted.

Learn to write in english and to use good analogies/arguments etc.

doacleric, I agree guard spawn timers should be made fairer, but what evidence was provided that they were on a 22-28 minute timer? That seems a bit excessive from my experiences with live.

[rioisk]

They can change whatever they want so long as i get my pet sword of rune procs on all mobs...oh wait

[mmiles8]

what evidence was provided that they were on a 22-28 minute timer?

If there weren't 13 pages of a small number of immature souls whose self-esteem hinges on getting the last word, endlessly retorting "shut up", "no u", you'd be able to find this quoted in the thread.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000512.html

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by mmiles8 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there weren't 13 pages of a small number of immature souls whose self-esteem hinges on getting the last word, endlessly retorting "shut up", "no u", you'd be able to find this quoted in the thread.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000512.html

I'm aware of that quote - it still doesn't answer my question. Are dungeon NPC's, on average, on a 22-28 minute timer? I'm sure this is true in some dungeons (like Unrest for example), but this is definitely not true for every dungeon.