Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly wasn't here for the IB / TMO showoff. Sadly enough i've only had to defend of FE. And this is were all the animosity comes from. They sit back and say dont train dont train, when I have over 10 archived fraps of them purposely training. Who was the last guild to get raid suspended for training, now they want to play nice because FTE shouts and variances doesnt fall in their favor? Now they know GM's are actively head hunting for malicious boss training outside of VP, so they cry? Why not just bring all your anger to VP? Long story short, I was raid suspended for 2 weeks for a retaliation train on FE, and not on trak, for a protector. They happened to be running fraps, at the time i didnt think I would have to, but that quickly changed and since then many FE has been suspended for training. So for them to sit back and say stop the trains, lets be friends, lets play nice. Fuck that and fuck FE.

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only people I see bitching in these threads are mostly FE and a few randoms.

Baww, are you going to cry now or something?

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Baww, are you going to cry now or something?

Yea, i'm crying irl...... loan me your shoulder?

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly wasn't here for the IB / TMO showoff. Sadly enough i've only had to defend of FE. And this is were all the animosity comes from. They sit back and say dont train dont train, when I have over 10 archived fraps of them purposely training. Who was the last guild to get raid suspended for training, now they want to play nice because FTE shouts and variances doesnt fall in their favor? Now they know GM's are actively head hunting for malicious boss training outside of VP, so they cry? Why not just bring all your anger to VP? Long story short, I was raid suspended for 2 weeks for a retaliation train on FE, and not on trak, for a protector. They happened to be running fraps, at the time i didnt think I would have to, but that quickly changed and since then many FE has been suspended for training. So for them to sit back and say stop the trains, lets be friends, lets play nice. Fuck that and fuck FE.

We have no problem with Variance and FTE shouts. We actually enjoy them at this point. That is the point I was making. With those 2 mechanics in the game training isn't needed to solve anything anywhere. We all just have an agreement that if someone has the FTE shout not to train each other. I know no one will agree to it but it never hurts to ask. The culture of it in that zone has been soured by it too much I think. Maybe we can avoid it in Velious. But I doubt it.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have no problem with Variance and FTE shouts. We actually enjoy them at this point. That is the point I was making. With those 2 mechanics in the game training isn't needed to solve anything anywhere. We all just have an agreement that if someone has the FTE shout not to train each other. I know no one will agree to it but it never hurts to ask. The culture of it in that zone has been soured by it too much I think. Maybe we can avoid it in Velious. But I doubt it.

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

. Who was the last guild to get raid suspended for training?

So for them to sit back and say stop the trains, lets be friends, lets play nice. Fuck that and fuck FE.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have no problem with Variance and FTE shouts. We actually enjoy them at this point.

I really don't believe deep down you or your trackers enjoy variance; you enjoy the after effect of not having everyone ready to attack the mob right as it pops. Situations like below indicate why better solutions to variance could exist, ie server repops more often.

I think the only encounter I ever had with you in game was around last winter/early spring when I was trioing Ragefire with Zagum and Luchino from TMO. Full Circle was there that night as well, and everyone was poopsocking Ragefire to FTE hand in a pearl to him. We all spent like 9+ hours there from like 7 PM to 4:30 AM (maybe longer and Ragefire never popped), and Ragefire never popped before we all went to sleep or had to go to work.

That variance situation, in which Ragefire spawned like 40 hours into window, was a lot of fun. Like 19 players, including the Full Circle people there, were all just staring at the wall.

Yes, I know Ragefire is always a variance mob, but the point is that variance does not lead to actual enjoyment in playing the game. I would argue that tracking is not really playing the game; it's like forcing yourself to be AFK and stare at the screen.

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I'm sure that night is how Brad McQuad intended EQ to be played.. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The crazy thing with variance is that some guilds have responded by having a force present for the entire time a mob is in window as seen with people wanting to get VS, Sev, or Innoruuk. That is some real crazy shit. Like instead of mobilizing, people will engage in self-abuse behavior such as tracking for days straight in shifts.

I know this is a bit off topic, but all the ad hominem in these threads seems unnecessary. A lot of us are the same, have the same goals, and have fun when we work together. Here is my favorite moment I've had in EQ; look at the guild tags in the picture.
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[Wildino]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does the current rules by default benefit us vs any other raiding guild? Does FE/BDA/IB's monks/sk's/necros FD not work properly?

You become better at dodge, evade, hidding but you are already waaay maxed

[xmonkx]

Cant answer the question can you? Guess you're too smart.

Edit: Would love to stay and chat but I have ranked Smite matches to attend to. So I will let you have the last word.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cant answer the question can you? Guess you're too smart.

says the guy who was demanding a proof of negative. this is rich.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cant answer the question can you? Guess you're too smart.

I can't answer question for events that occurred when I wasn't a part of the guild. You do realize a lot of the guild has changed at FE right ? The people who caused any kind of suspension may be in another guild now. You also realize any guild that has actually raided competitively on this server has usually ended up suspended at one time or another.... Right ? No guild has clean hands when in comes to suspensions if we are comparing TMO and FE which I was not trying to do. I was talking about the raid scene in general. I will state again to you to hopefully comprehend... I have no problems with your guild and hold no grudges. Stop trying to continuously make this out to be one guild vs. the other.

[Estu]

Didn't read the thread; just wanted to say I loved the OP.