The idea that will save the server(for u fecal)

[heartbrand]

Bad troll is bad, let me know when you have a counter to my points.

[GrobbGangsta]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bad troll is bad, let me know when you have a counter to my points.

Its pretty simple. You wouldn't be so vehemently against it if you didn't think there was an outside chance it could result in some pixel loss/competition. Last time there was SLIGHT competition (Feb-April period), you guys nipped it in the bud quick by scooping up a bunch of players and gearing them out to resume the sunday raiding schedule.

You can sit there and say that you "wish people would join up" to create competition but it is a load of bullshit.

[heartbrand]

Cool, again, let me know when you have a counter to my points as to why variance will not increase competition but actually strengthen nihilums hold on the server. Since you seem pretty dense ill help you out and lay them out in numbered order for you:

1) Classic lacks the numbers and organization required to track mobs and then bat phone and mobilize for a mob.

2) Variance requires an epic amount of poopsocking and playtime that will burn out the far more casual / selfish players in Classic.

3) Variance denies Classic it's most formidable weapon against nihilum, the ability to plan ahead and set up shop before nihilum does at a raid mob and take zone control.

4) Variance has been proposed for the same reasons on other servers such as blue and has failed miserably.

5) Variance requires an even larger raid force because you need to be able to field a raid force 24/7. This will play against Classics number disadvantage and further skew the server to nihilum who will also step up recruiting which has recently been tightened.

6) There are no winners with variance, just lost lives.

Also, your ad hominem attack on me is a bit off base, I don't need any of these pixels. This system would actually favor me in dkp because I work from my home office and can log on for a bat phone at 3pm. Those with traditional office jobs cannot.

[heartbrand]

If you really want to "win" and I think chuck is right here there's only losers on red99 no winners, then you need to change your strategy. You guys have been trying to go for targets like faydedar, mobs in large open zones that are impossible to hold down and have shit loot, instead of heading straight to seb to hold down trak and get more VP keys. You want to grief nihilum? Then start killing VP mobs.

[big league chew]

this is your guys posts blah blah blah pixels blah blah blah blah blah mobs blah blah blah blah uncontested mobs blah blah blah uncontested pixels pixels blah pixels blah mobs blah batphone blah mobs blah blah blah blah variance blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah pixels

[HeisChuck]

stop the essays hb

[RoguePhantom]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool, again, let me know when you have a counter to my points as to why variance will not increase competition but actually strengthen nihilums hold on the server. Since you seem pretty dense ill help you out and lay them out in numbered order for you:

1) Classic lacks the numbers and organization required to track mobs and then bat phone and mobilize for a mob.

2) Variance requires an epic amount of poopsocking and playtime that will burn out the far more casual / selfish players in Classic.

3) Variance denies Classic it's most formidable weapon against nihilum, the ability to plan ahead and set up shop before nihilum does at a raid mob and take zone control.

4) Variance has been proposed for the same reasons on other servers such as blue and has failed miserably.

5) Variance requires an even larger raid force because you need to be able to field a raid force 24/7. This will play against Classics number disadvantage and further skew the server to nihilum who will also step up recruiting which has recently been tightened.

6) There are no winners with variance, just lost lives.

Also, your ad hominem attack on me is a bit off base, I don't need any of these pixels. This system would actually favor me in dkp because I work from my home office and can log on for a bat phone at 3pm. Those with traditional office jobs cannot.

1) What?

2) Yeah, because giving people who are randomly on, the ability to spot a mob up, let their guild know, and attempt it when others aren't around is a TERRIBLE thing.

3) Stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, plan ahead, sit there for a spawn only to get shit on by 60 VP geared toons. BRILLIANT LAW MIND.

4) Since when?

5) This is the point of Variance. It allows others to mobilize when THE PLAYERS are able. Not when the SERVER says they should.

6) Winners.... The Server. Nihilum. Other guilds. Lives will benefit. Euro's and people who have odd play times have a chance at a random raid spawn with Variance.

[Elderan]

I would rather lose a mob at 7pm due to pvp than get one at 5am due to no pvp.

[heartbrand]

Response:

1) Not sure why this is confusing. You guys are awful at mobilization and all facets of the game that are critical to variance. If it takes you hours to show up to pre-planned guild events, how long is it going to take for you to bat phone 20+ people, port them to the location, buff up, etc., without Kringe leading you?

2) You will need multiple rangers /monks [keep in mind tracking just got raped and rogue sneak/hide sucks now] at all mob spawns 24/7. Who do you think will succeed at this? Nihilum or Classic?

3) Kringe showed it works multiple times in the past when he led you guys to victory for a couple of weeks. You were able to plan ahead and get to Sebilis and KC before Nihilum, thus take zone control and minimize the number / gear advantage. You have no such advantage with variance where you'll be scrambling like chickens with your heads cut off to get to a target as the Nihilum protoss zealots are logging en mass to the bat phone OT hammering / buffed / @ target in < 10 Minutes flat, while you guys are still fighting with each other about what zone to pick up player X in.

4) If you can't even admit Variance has been a massive failure on blue99 I really don't know what to say. It was thought to be the savior to the problems of raid congestion and all it has done is solidified TMO's position as top dog.

5) You completely missed the point. You guys have a number disadvantage. You merged to somewhat try to counter this, and can also use planning and pre-zone control to your advantage in places like Sebilis where the people with zone control have a massive advantage. Variance will rape this advantage. See last weeks Faydedar for example.

Thanks.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by HeisChuck [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stop the essays hb

This isn't getting changed.

Case dismissed.

Pack your keyboard into your trial bag and get out of this thread.