the EVIDENCE that GOD exists is the FACT that EXISTENCE EXISTS

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much tinhattery in the world, im so glad i live in maine and most people are firmly rooted to the ground

It's not tinfoil hattery, I work in the medical field and I know a few people who work for Pfizer, even had a job offer once that I sort of regret not taking. You have no idea the influence of commissions given to doctors and how often it effects their decisions on whether or not to medicate their patients and which medications to give them.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not tinfoil hattery, I work in the medical field and I know a few people who work for Pfizer, even had a job offer once that I sort of regret not taking. You have no idea the influence of commissions given to doctors and how often it effects their decisions on whether or not to medicate their patients and which medications to give them.

This i understand and believe is true, insurance agencies/pharmaceutical companies with their reps are taking us for a ride.

Did they create aids and cancer to keep us sick and going to the hospital? please...

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stopped reading at that point.
If you think American medicine has your best interests in mind you should save everyone the trouble and write a check of your entire bank account to Pfizer followed by shooting yourself.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3091271

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/prevention/re...ion/risks.html

if people want to snip their baby's dick in a way that produces no tangible negative impact and a few minor health benefits, who cares? might as well get uppity about ear piercings while you're at it, but that doesn't have the same shock value as a baby dick

it's abuse when it's harmful and/or malicious. circumcision is neither

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's abuse when it's harmful and/or malicious. circumcision is neither

Yeah you keep thinking that, meanwhile every medical professional in any field directly or indirectly related to the consequences of such barbaric practices will vehemently disagree with you. Outside of the Jeudeo-Christian community of course. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah you keep thinking that, meanwhile every medical professional in any field directly or indirectly related to the consequences of such barbaric practices will vehemently disagree with you. Outside of the Jeudeo-Christian community of course. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? Anything and everything I've ever read has said circumcision is healthier then non circumcision for you. I mean EVERYTHING. I mean, I am assuming there is stuff out there that could say otherwise, but I'm sure the argument is not very strong if it is not really out there.

For some reason I just envisioned some kid going on a killing spree and blaming it on him being circumcised as a baby after arguing with you.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah you keep thinking that, meanwhile every medical professional in any field directly or indirectly related to the consequences of such barbaric practices will vehemently disagree with you. Outside of the Jeudeo-Christian community of course. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.circinfo.net/socio_sexual_aspects.html

the vast majority of studies find that circumcision is either a minor benefit or has no significant impact either way. the WHO even recommends it for large portions of africa because it significantly lowers the rate of HIV transmission

it's only "barbaric" because you're a bigot, not because there's anything inherently brutal or uncivilized about a minor surgical procedure that produces minor health benefits and significantly preferred aesthetics in many societies

again, go bitch about body piercings. there are fewer benefits, more pain, and greater risk of complication. i have a feeling you don't consider a little girl getting her ears pierced barbaric though

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's abuse when it's harmful and/or malicious. circumcision is neither

[QUOTE=Web MD]What are the benefits of circumcision?

There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).

Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.

Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections.
What are the risks of circumcision?

Like any surgical procedure, there are risks associated with circumcision. However, this risk is low. Problems associated with circumcision include:
Pain
Risk of bleeding and infection at the site of the circumcision
Irritation of the glans
Increased risk of meatitis (inflammation of the opening of the penis)
Risk of injury to the penis[QUOTE]

For a baby its not like they remember it so I wouldn't call it painful or necessarily malicious, but for an adult...

[Rhambuk]

eh never tried to manually type in quote brackets (read sig)

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? Anything and everything I've ever read has said circumcision is healthier then non circumcision for you. I mean EVERYTHING. I mean, I am assuming there is stuff out there that could say otherwise, but I'm sure the argument is not very strong if it is not really out there.

A big part of it is about who's doing the study. It's the most commonly practiced surgical procedure in the country so you have a combination of the bias towards it dependent on who's performing the study grouped with the money issue (it's the most common surgical procedure practiced in the country) and finally the stigma of opposing such a sacred judeo-christian custom. You will be hard pressed to find anyone defending the practice outside of the US and Israel (though there are a few out there).

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a baby its not like they remember it so I wouldn't call it painful or necessarily malicious, but for an adult...

Yet the same people who ignore the psychological trauma caused to an infant during such practices because they "won't remember" (which is escapism for saying they don't believe they are yet sentient) are the same ones that worry about the rights of a "sentient" zygote. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/27/health...recommendation

wanting junior to "look like dad."

lawled