FE knowingly KS's TMO's Trak, Rushes to complete keys and Epics

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, I think he's trying to rile you up. It looks like it's working pretty well instead of wasting space.

Im tracking and I can only read so much economic theory until I want to jump out of my window. Some of these guys even make economists look like they make sense.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It does appear this is the case. My only QQ is that this shift seems to be applied when it benefits TMO. In this instance, TMO engages 5 seconds after Option has FTE (apparantly after Merkk dies) and TMO is awarded loot, yet when TMO DA-tanks for 36 seconds before getting a non-FD class on Trak, they still retain the loot. It could be as simple as one side is much better at arguing their case than the other, but it looks fishy to me. Either way, as one TMO put it (paraphrasing) this is a lot of arguing for a mob that'll respawn in ~3days.

Lets review the server logs for both:
"TMO DA-tank where FE gets EXP" Trak:

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 Darkdeath (132401)[806] (O) The Mystical Order 60 Necromancer 10:14:20 0 10:15:20 60 0 20 71
2 Option (332777)[801] (O) Forceful Entry 60 Monk 10:14:37 17 10:15:20 43 0 2285 1221
3 Zeelot (122568)[776] (L) The Mystical Order 60 Shadow Knight 10:14:49 29 10:15:20 31 0 19 23
4 Szeth (149541)[814] Forceful Entry 60 Monk 10:14:56 36 10:15:20 24 0 721 827
5 Kegluas (69548)[774] The Mystical Order 60 Warrior 10:14:56 36 10:15:20 24 0 322 1300

36 seconds between TMO FTE and first non-FD class aggro.
"Option has FTE but TMO gets loot" Trak:

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 Option (332777)[775] (O) Forceful Entry 60 Monk 21:51:45 0 21:52:36 51 0 502 580
2 Zeelot (122568)[727] (L) The Mystical Order 60 Shadow Knight 21:51:50 5 21:52:14 24 0 80 287
3 Kleavage (309071)[742] The Mystical Order 60 Warrior 21:52:04 19 21:52:36 32 11211 2193 1886
4 Biggslick (306149)[726] The Mystical Order 60 Warrior 21:52:04 19 21:52:18 14 11210 566 2250
5 Raden (304670)[743] The Mystical Order 60 Shaman 21:52:05 20 21:52:36 31 11210 0 95
6 Kautin (295749)[774] The Mystical Order 60 Monk 21:52:05 20 21:52:36 31 0 1490 1846
7 Thrump (252350)[746] The Mystical Order 60 Shadow Knight 21:52:07 22 21:52:36 29 11211 1388 1704
8 Egue (8049)[751] Forceful Entry 60 Shadow Knight 21:52:09 24 21:52:36 27 0 253 549
9 Chief (33263)[776] The Mystical Order 60 Monk 21:52:09 24 21:52:36 27 11215 3041 2069
10 Redonk (280590)[741] The Mystical Order 60 Bard 21:52:09 24 21:52:36 27 11210 191 297
11 Adrenaline (30537)[781] The Mystical Order 60 Monk 21:52:10 25 21:52:36 26 0 857 1194
12 Zucantiz (293121)[725] The Mystical Order 60 Monk 21:52:11 26 21:52:36 25 11210 1379 1217
13 Sericx (76355)[2511] The Mystical Order 60 Monk 21:52:11 26 21:52:36 25 11215 1750 1516
14 Arkyiane (86950)[773] The Mystical Order 60 Rogue 21:52:12 27 21:52:36 24 0 3874 1831
15 Houdiny (331928)[732] Forceful Entry 60 Wizard 21:52:13 28 21:52:27 14 0 1650 1750

28 seconds between FTE and first non-FD class aggro. I will give props to TMO for putting 12 bodies on Trak in that time-frame though, much improved over the trickle in of the last Trak.

The only difference, which I can't tell definitively, is whether Option stayed non-FD until another FE (it would be Egue) obtained aggro before Houdiny was added to the list. Houdiny also appears to have been killed by Trak, but by the time Houdiny dies, Unbrella and other FE are on the aggro list.

Assuming Option was not FD before Egue entered the aggro list, this shouldn't be any different than the original Trak that began this thread and FE should have loot, not 2x TMO loots.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How was it determined that option f'd'd. Are we missing some Fraps?

Zeelots logs.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks Ele; you are a champion of redundancy.

Do I need to quote Sirken about being able to appeal GM decisions after a ruling has been made, or are we all of the proper age to understand that putting what you want to see in large bold letters does not really do much but waste space?

So RNF is the appropriate forum for appealing GM decisions now?

Please tell me how a 1200 post thread in RNF is supposed to reverse this decision?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zeelots logs.

We certainly haven't seen Merkk or Option's logs to contradict. Gotta use what is available.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So RNF is the appropriate forum for appealing GM decisions now?

Please tell me how a 1200 post thread in RNF is supposed to reverse this decision?

1206*

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So RNF is the appropriate forum for appealing GM decisions now?

Please tell me how a 1200 post thread in RNF is supposed to reverse this decision?

No. RnF is the appropriate forum for making people like you look like fools; dont think for a second that a formal petition has not been submitted.

[Szeth1]

Szeth shouldn't count for FTE, as he has been unbanned despite being sold for USD.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So RNF is the appropriate forum for appealing GM decisions now?

Please tell me how a 1200 post thread in RNF is supposed to reverse this decision?

Sloan uses RNF for everything petition related.

Like getting his MQ banned characters back

Isn't that right Steve?

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We certainly haven't seen Merkk or Option's logs to contradict. Gotta use what is available.

Exactly.

The evidence OUTSIDE of the encounter logs is completely INCONCLUSIVE.

So why is it that the server encounter logs are not being used to decide the outcome, but instead the gaggle fuck that is Zeelots personal logs?