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08-31-2022, 02:38 PM
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You seem to think that there is a “everyone else” as if scores of silent observers exist and are monitoring this thread for the delicate knowledge nuggets spilling from your gaping face-hole.
There aren’t. It’s just you and we the other people posting.
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08-31-2022, 02:41 PM
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08-31-2022, 03:01 PM
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For fun, from the earlier conversation about how much levels matter, I happen to still have my logs from when I was soloing on my warrior, I wrote a simple parser to pull and summarize the data for all of my Chasm Crawler kills from levels 16-19.
During this time I exclusively killed blue ones. The number is what level I was, my hits aren't how hard I hit, just how many times I hit on average in these fights. Weapons were: Bullsmasher and Longsword (from a vendor, just the weapon called "Longsword". The TTK listed here is in seconds for easier reading but I didn't convert it later on. Code:
{
"16": {
"averageMyHits": 34.54,
"averageMyMisses": 12.27,
"averageMyDps": 3.89,
"averageTheirHits": 14.18,
"averageTheirDps": 1.51,
"averageTtk": 85.59,
"count": 22
},
"17": {
"averageMyHits": 35.91,
"averageMyMisses": 11.97,
"averageMyDps": 4.45,
"averageTheirHits": 11.02,
"averageTheirDps": 1.15,
"averageTtk": 76.43,
"count": 48
},
"18": {
"averageMyHits": 31,
"averageMyMisses": 8.33,
"averageMyDps": 4.84,
"averageTheirHits": 9.92,
"averageTheirDps": 1.13,
"averageTtk": 70.29,
"count": 54
}
}
For example, a lot of my fights at level 16 against these snakes looked like this, start/end are linux timestamps, TTK is in ms: this is almost certainly a level 13 snake (which actually isn't that hard to prove since mob max damage per hit statically scales with their level for the vast majority of monsters so I might go snag that data point later). Code:
{
"start": 1588113011000,
"myHits": 42,
"theirHits": 20,
"myMisses": 18,
"end": 1588113136000,
"timeToKill": 125000,
"myDps": 2.728,
"theirDps": 1.344
}
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{
"start": 1588114078000,
"myHits": 30,
"theirHits": 12,
"myMisses": 8,
"end": 1588114147000,
"timeToKill": 69000,
"myDps": 4.521739130434782,
"theirDps": 1.3623188405797102
}
At level 18, I was exclusively fighting level 13 snakes, as they're the only ones that con blue at that point. I think its fairly clear that, being 4 or 5 levels above an enemy VS being 2-3 levels above an enemy makes a massive difference in combat even at this low of a level. This gap closes as you gain levels, but that's also why the Blue con gap widens, when you're level 35 you're really looking for level 25 mobs to maintain this kind of lead. | ||
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08-31-2022, 03:17 PM
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Thanks for the data Kitch867! It's much better than the ceaseless trolling of the other posters.
Nobody has argued that level makes no difference when fighting mobs. I know you are not suggesting that, but this stuff gets lost in the trolling. I know people think I argued that, since I simply asked for some data lol (big sin for some reason here). The post history is there for anybody who thinks this is wrong. People just got angry when I ask them to provide data, which is the usual problem in this thread. Their claim was a charmed pet is going to massively out-DPS a Warrior, and that my data was simply wrong because the mob I was fighting was lower level. However, I have shown data where I can maintain higher DPS than a charmed mob on a mob of equal level to my Warrior in the 1-30 range. Nobody is arguing this is true at higher levels, even though people will probably try to claim that. But again, the post history is clear. Everquest mobs are balanced to be much easier in the low levels (1-39). Level difference at low levels makes less of a difference because mob stats are scaled down too. This is why in the lower levels you can actually solo yellow or even red mobs sometimes, but you can no longer do that in the higher levels. Quote:
Sorry you don't got data. Hope this helps.
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My point is that you do, even at that level, lose a pretty noticeable amount of DPS. Maybe not if you're as geared as your character is, perhaps having enough Strength offsets it, but I don't think a single parse demonstrates that well enough. The difference between being 3, 4, or 5 levels above a mob is pretty substantial. Being consistently 5 levels above this mob my average TTK was ~70s, being somewhere between 3-5 levels above this mob my average TTK was ~85s, and if I were to filter it to the ones I can confirm are 3 levels below me the TTK is much closer to ~100s. The amount of times I miss a mob 3 levels below me compared to a mob 5 levels below me is significantly higher when it's 3 levels below me. And the amount of times I hit is significantly higher, indicating that I'm hitting for far less on average against these mobs because I'm not high rolling them as often. I think it's misleading to suggest that you don't lose much DPS fighting things only a few levels below you, especially since you can have some seriously swingy fights--some of my parses involve lucky strings of crits that are counterbalanced by unlucky fights where I miss a lot over the course of 100 or so parses. In your own parse you did substantially more DPS against a higher level enemy than you did against a low level enemy, which to me would suggest thats an outlier. | ||||
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08-31-2022, 04:32 PM
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I 100% agree more data would be better to get the true averages, but the same argument can be made for the pet DPS. It will have highs and lows too. I am just giving out some quick data that I acquired to disprove obviously silly claims like a low level charmed pet is going to "massively" out-DPS a low level Warrior. If the warrior has low gear like yourself, this may be true. But the reality is most people can afford some minor twink gear (2k is a small sum of money), so I think it is not reasonable to make this assumption unless the thread is specifically talking about making a "self-found only" group. The reality is I have given out way more data than all of the opposition combined, and it's never enough. They will not believe hours of parse data or a single parse hehe. It's much easier to just say "I am right because other people agree with me".
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