If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[IronLikeALionInZion]

again your arguing the validity of a belief system that takes ideas from hebrew, roman pagan, and babylonian sources.

You see things as black and white you see an ignorant belief (like modern Christianity) and you think that because of its obvious flaws that you have liberated yourself from something that has shackled you. You also seem very pious in thinking that not only are you above that trick, but above any others that you may perceive.

Its also apparent from your summary of "the epitome of mindless" that your only aware of Catholic "christian" doctrine. My guess is you have never read ANY of the texts I posted names of, or immersed yourself in any of the concepts I spoke of. Speaking about something without knowledge is to me the epitome of mindlessness.
However thats just an opinion.

So i challenge you. Log off Eq. Quit Raiding for a weekend. READ ***** READ!

[Flunklesnarkin]

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[Pico]

i try my best everyday to live this life as has been set out for me by the gospel of our lord and savior ron paul

let us proclaim the mystery of faith

[Within99]

Originally Posted by bman8810 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I grew up in a household with two ordained ministers and have read the Bible from front to back. Also, whether science or religion is the "easy way out" is entirely perception. Personally, I see religion as the "easy way out" because it is far easier to not worry about the why or how of something.

Also, could religion do me harm? Absolutely. Religion is a crutch that calls on you to put your faith in a higher being to bring about desired changes in your life, or for that higher being to bring about the changes in his mystical plan. Personally, I've done it and I've always ended up disappointed. A far more effective approach is to actively assess your desires and act upon them.

Religion is merely a social construct brought about to teach morals and help strengthen communities. We no longer need this and it is causing more problems than good.

I don't get it? you are Anti-God?
Anyway, you are wrong.
God can only do good, you need to attend church.
No matter what you think, you can never do it with your own strength, you need God, we all do.

Ill try to leave this thread with this.
When Jesus comes back, and God judges the people of the earth, will you rely on the "things of the world" or the promise of Christ Jesus.
Satan is the ruler of earth.

[Within99]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe in letting everyone make their own choices, believe what they want to believe, and form their own opinions. I also believe in respecting those people's decisions no matter what just as I would expect them to respect mine. Unless that decision is either harmful to others or outright blatant stupidity. In my experience it is the radicals on both the religious and aethist sides that fall under these categories. Be it by blindly following an ideal to the point of making idiotic arguments as to why they are right and others are wrong, all the way down to harming others by forcing their opinions down each others throats, taking away or trying to take away people's freedoms due to different beliefs or even simply killing others for different beliefs. Generally people who are not radical do not do any of these things, however, and people should learn to just let them live their damn lives.

Narrow is the path to heaven.
Broad is the path to eternal damnation.
To me you sound Broad, as what I see with most of these people.
There is 1 way to the kingdom, and that is through Jesus.
I don't want to be a thief and steal your heart with force, I am not forcing anyone, I am sharing the gospel, in hope that you pray, and you have faith, and you become like minded in Christ.
A brotherhood and sisterhood.
Jesus gave his life, to heal, and teach the goodness of the Lord, its up to you to open the door and let Jesus in.
No other religion is like Christianity, God will never take your will, or force you, he lets you make decisions, and he will let you fall to.
But he loves you all, it is not his will that people will perish in the lake of fire where the worms do not die and the fire is never quenched.
His will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.

[chtulu]

God has killed more people than satan, 100x fold actually. I don't see how god does good when he threatens our "eternal souls" by casting it into a lake of fire if we don't have 100% obedience.

[Within99]

Death? lol are you scared of death?
I know when I die I meet my maker in Heaven.
I fear not what man can do to me, death was overcome by Jesus.
He was resurrected, as all the righteous and unrighteous will also be resurrected for the judgements of God.
You are wrong about God killing more people then Satan, Thou shall not kill, is a commandment your statement is invalid. Satan is the one who brings murder into the hearts of men.
You should want to obey, but you rely on the things of the earth for power, you rely on the flesh, which is weakness. there will always be someone bigger, faster, smarter, better. Flesh is weak.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by IronLikeALionInZion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bet you know... what retarded movies are in the theaters, where to find free pornography, and the dollar menu at mc donalds all off hand.

Well yeah, because I'm not retarded.

Originally Posted by IronLikeALionInZion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why not take an afternoon off to read The the bhagavad gita, the Qur'an, the gnostic gospels of christ Study Kabbalah, vedic science, yoga and eastern mysticism. Educate yourself on the things you hate so much. Enlighten yourself to the fact despite you being a privileged middle class white European your not the God of this planet, and there may be something Greater then what you know.

If I read all that, if I educated myself, if I was enlightened... would I finally know the difference between your and you're and then and than?

Originally Posted by IronLikeALionInZion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Major Religion and Atheism = Mindless lifestyle choices for Plebeians brought to you buy the same people brought you Bread and Circus, AKA - Caesar.

You hear this a lot in politics and religion, and it is the logical fallacy of Middle Ground. It is a lazy and derivative view espoused by those without enough intellectual curiosity to know better.

In conclusion, your arguments are infantile and self-humiliating. Do you have any formal secondary education at all? If you cannot even spell homonyms correctly, what makes you think you can debate metaphysical topics with any degree of legitimacy?

[chtulu]

I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh. -- Deuteronomy 32:39-42
The table shows two numbers: the number given by the Bible, if any, and an estimate, when no biblical number is available.

Much more information about God's killings, with a chapter on each of the 135 killing events, can be found int the book:

Drunk With Blood: God's killings in the Bible
The grand totals are shown below and at the end of the table.

Biblical number 2,476,636
Estimate 25 million
DWB
Chapter Killing Event Scriptural Reference Biblical number Estimate
1 The Flood of Noah Gen 7:23 - 20,000,000
2 Abraham's war to rescue Lot Gen 14:17-19 - 1000
3 Sodom and Gomorrah Gen 19:24 - 2,000
4 Lot's wife Gen 19:26 1 1
5 Er for being wicked in the sight of the Lord Gen 38:7 1 1
6 Onan for spilling his seed Gen 38:10 1 1
7 God's seven year, world-wide famine Gen 41:25-54 - 70,000
8 The seventh plague of Egypt: Hail Ex 9:25 - 300,000
9 God killed all first born Egyptian children Ex 12:29-30 - 500,000
10 God drowned the Egyptian army Ex 14:8-26 600 5,000
11 Amalekites Ex 17:13 - 1,000
12 Who is on the Lord's side? Ex 32:27-28 3,000 3,000
13 God plagued the people because of Aaron's calf Ex 32:35 - 1,000
14 God burns Aaron's sons to death Lev 10:1-3 2 2
15 A blasphemer is stoned to death Lev 24:10-23 1 1
16 God burned people to death for complaining Num 11:1 - 100
17 God plagued the people for complaining about the food Num 11:33 - 10,000
18 Ten scouts are killed for their honest report Num 14:35-36 10 10
19 A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day Num 15:32-35 1 1
20 The opposing party is buried alive (with their families) Num 16:27 3 9
21 250 burned to death for burning incense Num 16:35 250 250
22 For complaining about God's killings Num 16:49 14,700 14,700
23 The massacre of the Aradites Num 21:1-3 - 3,000
24 God sent snakes to bite people for complaining Num 21:6 - 100
25 Phinehas' double murder: A killing to end God's killings Num 25:1-11 24,002 24,002
26 The Midianite massacre: Have you saved the women alive? Num 31:1-35 6 200,000
27 God slowly kills the Israelite army Dt 2:14-16 - 500,000
28 God the giant killer Dt 2:21-22 - 5,000
29 God hardens King Sihon's heart so he can kill him and all his people Dt 2:33-34 1 5,000
30 Og and the men, women, and children of 60 cites Dt 3:3-6 1 60,000
31 The Jericho Massacre Jos 6:21 - 1,000
32 Achan and his family are stoned and burned to death Jos 7:10-12, 24-26 1 5
33 The Ai massacre Jos 8:1-25 12,000 12,000
34 God stops the sun so Joshua can kill in the daylight Jos 10:10-11 - 5,000
35 Five kings killed and hung on trees Jos 10:26 5 10,000
36 Joshua utterly destroys all that breathes as God commanded Jos 10:28-42 7 7,000
37 Jabin, Jobab, and all the people of 20 cities Jos 11:8-12 2 20,000
38 The Anakim: More giant killing Jos 11:20-21 - 5,000
39 The Lord delivered the Canaanites and Perizzites Jg 1:4 10,000 10,000
40 The Jerusalem Massacre Jg 1:8 - 1,000
41 Five massacres, a wedding, and some God-proof iron chariots Jg 1:9-25 - 5,000
42 The Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim Jg 3:7-10 1 1,000
43 Ehud delivers a message from God Jg 3:15-22 1 1
44 God delivers 10,000 lusty Moabites Jg 3:28-29 10,000 10,000
45 Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an ox goad Jg 3.31 600 600
46 Barak and God massacre the Canaanites Jg 4:15-16 - 1,000
47 Jael pounds a tent stake through a sleeping man's skull Jg 4:18-22 1 1
48 Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's sword against his fellow Jg 7:22 120,000 120,000
49 A city is massacred and 1000 burn to death because of God's evil spirit Jg 9:23-57 1,001 2,000
50 The Ammonite Massacre Jg 11:32-33 - 20,000
51 Jephthah's Daughter Jg 11:39 1 1
52 42,000 killed for failing the "shibboleth" test Jg 12.4-7, Heb 11.32 42,000 42,000
53 Samson murders 30 men for their clothes Jg 14:19 30 30
54 Samson kills 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass Jg 15:14-15 1,000 1,000
55 Samson kills 3000 in a suicide terrorist attack Jg 16:27-30 3,000 3,000
56 A holy civil war (called by rotting concubine body part messages) Jg 20:35-37 65,100 65,100
57 The End of Judges: Two genocides and 200 stolen virgins Jg 21.10-14 - 4,000
58 God kills Eli's sons along with 34,000 Israelite soldiers 1Sam 2:25, 1Sam 4:11 34,002 34,002
59 God smote them with hemorrhoids in their secret parts 1Sam 5:1-12 - 3,000
60 God killed 50,070 for looking into the ark of the Lord 1Sam 6:19 50,070 50,070
61 The Lord thundered great thunder upon the Philistines 1Sam 7:10-11 - 1,000
62 Another Ammonite Massacre (and another God-inspired body-part message) 1Sam 11:6-13 - 1,000
63 Jonathan's very fist slaughter (not counting the one before) 1Sam 14:12-14 20 20
64 God forces the Philistines to kill each other 1Sam 14:20 - 1,000
65 The Amalekite genocide 1Sam 15:2-3 - 10,000
66 Samuel hacks Agag to death before the Lord 1Sam 15:32-33 1 1
67 David or Elhanan killed Goliath 1Sam 17.51, 2Sam 21.19 1 1
68 David killed 200 Philistines for their foreskins (to buy his first wife) 1Sam 18.27 200 200
69 The Lord said to David, Go and smite the Philistines 1Sam 23:2-5 - 10,000
70 God killed Nabal (and David got his wife and other stuff) 1Sam 25:38 1 1
71 David committed genocides for the Philistines 1Sam 27.8-11 - 60,000
72 David spends the day killing Amalekites 1Sam 30:17 - 1,000
73 God kills Saul, his sons, and his men because Saul didn't kill all the Amalekites 1Sam 31:2, 1Chr 10:6 4 100
74 David killed the messenger 2Sam 1.15 1 1
75 David killed Rechab and Baanah, cut off their hands and feet, and hung up their dead bodies 2Sam 4.12 2 2
76 God helps David smite Philistines from the front and the rear 2Sam 5:19-25 - 2,000
77 God killed Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2Sam 6:6-7, 1Chr 13:9-10 1 1
78 David killed 2/3 Moabite POWs and enslaved the rest 2Sam 8.2 - 667
79 The Lord gave David victory wherever he went 2Sam 8.5, 10.18 65,850 66,850
80 David killed every male in Edom 2Sam 8.13, 1Kg 11.15-16, 1Chr 18.12, Psalm 60:1 15,000 65,000
81 Thus did David unto all the children of Ammon 2Sam 11.1, 1Chr 20.1 - 1,000
82 God slowly kills a baby 2Sam 12:14-18 1 1
83 Famine and human sacrfice: Seven sons of Saul are hung up before the Lord 2Sam 21:1-9 7 3,000
84 David's mighty men and their amazing killings 2Sam 23, 1Chr 11 1,403 3,400
85 A couple hundred thousand die because David had a census 2Sam 24:15, 1Chr 21:14 70,000 200,000
86 Solomon carried out the deathbed wish of David by having Joab and Shimei murdered 1Kg 2:29-34, 2:44-46 2 2
87 A tale of two prophets 1Kg 13:11-24 1 1
88 Jeroboam's son: God kills another child 1Kg 14:17 1 1
89 Jeroboam's family 1Kg 15:29 - 10
90 Baasha's family and friends 1Kg 16:11-12 - 20
91 Zimri burns to death 1Kg 16.18-19 1 1
92 The drought of Elijah 1Kg 17.1, Lk 4.25, James 5.17-18 - 3,000
93 Elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a prayer contest 1Kg 18.22-40 450 450
94 The first God-assisted slaughter of the Syrians 1Kg 20:20-21 - 10,000
95 God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling him a god of the hills 1Kg 20:28-29 100,000 100,000
96 God killed 27,000 Syrians by making a wall fall on them 1Kg 20:30 27,000 27,000
97 God sent a lion to kill a man for not smiting a prophet 1Kg 20:35-36 1 1
98 God kills Ahab for not killing a captured king 1Kg 20:42, 22:35 1 1
99 God burned to death 102 men for asking Elijah to come down from his hill 2Kg 1:10-12 102 102
100 God killed King Ahaziah for asking the wrong God 2Kg 1:16-17; 2Chr 22:7-9 1 1
101 God sent two bears to rip apart 42 boys for making fun of a prophet's bald head 2Kg 2:23-24 42 42
102 The Lord delivered the Moabites 2Kg 3:18-25 - 5,000
103 A skeptic is trampled to death 2Kg 7.2-20 1 1
104 Another seven year famine 2Kg 8:1 - 7,000
105 Jehoram of Israel 2Kg 9:24 1 1
106 Jezebel 2Kg 9:33-37 1 1
107 Ahab's sons: Seventy heads in two heaps 2Kg 10:6-10 70 70
108 Ahab's hometown family, friends, and priests 2Kg 10:11 - 20
109 Jehu killed Ahaziah's family 2Kg 10.12-13, 2Chr 22.7-9 42 42
110 Jehu and his partner kill the rest of Ahab's family 2Kg 10:17 - 20
111 Jehu assembles the followers of Baal and then slaughters them all 2Kg 10.18-25 - 1,000
112 Mattan the priest of Baal and Queen Athaliah 2Kg 11.17-20 2 2
113 God sends lions to eat those that don't fear him enough 2Kg 17:25-26 - 10
114 An angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers 2Kg 19:34, Is 37:36 185,000 185,000
115 God caused Sennacherib to be killed by his sons 2Kg 19:37 1 1
116 Josiah killed all the priests of the high places 2Kg 23.20 - 100
117 Another holy war 1Chr 5:18-22 - 50,000
118 God killed a half million Israelite soldiers 2Chr 13:17-18 500,000 500,000
119 Jeroboam 2Chr 13:20 1 1
120 God killed a million Ethiopians 2Chr 14:9-14 1,000,000 1,000,000
121 Friendly Fire: God forced "a great multitude" to kill each other 2Chr 20:22-25 - 30,000
122 God made Jehoram's bowels fall out 2Chr 21:14-19 1 1
123 God killed Jehoram's sons 2Chr 22:1 - 3
124 Ahaziah (of Judah) 2Chr 22.7-9 1 1
125 Joash, the princes, and army of Judah 2Chr 24:20-25 1 10,000
126 God destroyed Amaziah 2Chr 25:15-27 1 1000
127 God smote Ahaz with the king of Syria 2Chr 28:1-5 - 10,000
128 God killed 120,000 valiant men for forsaking him 2Chr 28:6 120,000 120,000
129 The fall of Jerusalem 2Chr 36:16-17 - 10,000
130 God and Satan kill Job's children and slaves Job 1:18-19 10 60
131 Hananiah Jeremiah 28:15-16 1 1
132 Ezekiel's wife Ezek 24:15-18 1 1
133 Annanias and Sapphira Acts 5:1-10 2 2
134 Herod Acts 12:23 1 1
135 Jesus Rom 8:32, 1Pet 1.18-20 1 1
Total 2,476,636 24,634,205

yes the lay out sucks so here is the link to a compiled list of all the verses that show god ordering people to be killed or killing them himself. This doesn't account for sodom and gomorra and the flood with noah's ark.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot....-in-bible.html

[Within99]

New to me, lol.
I lurned something tewday.