Raid Changes

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have a +/- 120 hr variance on each mob you may actually solve the problem.

Let's assume that it is possible to kill socking and tracking with sufficiently large variance.

Ok. So now socking and tracking are dead. How do guilds get bosses now? That's right. They zerg even harder than ever before, to give themselves the best odds of having a ranger/druid/bard in the right zone at the right time to notice on track that a boss popped and to be able to hit more targets at once during the repop every week.


A known, weekly repop with the same timers but lessened variance will not eliminate socking or tracking or zerging, but it will drastically increase the amount of raid mobs available to kill every week, with a large number of those mobs being impossible to monopolize by a guild that can "only" field 75 raiders at once. Big and "dedicated" guilds get more loot, but the smaller and casual guilds get some loot... assuming they don't insist on trying to fight for a VS/trak kill or something.

And then if only the training bullshit in VP were outlawed and VP repops with the rest of the mobs, suddenly the top dogs don't just have the no-brainer of "duh, let's kill trak and VS then go after ct/inny while a couple of our members train anyone who gets past the splits in VP" and they might have to settle for fewer targets outside of VP while they make sure they don't lose any PDs or something.


/shrug

[SupaflyIRL]

Any solution that involves GM enforcement or spawn windows with known end points will be a failure because there is little to no GM presence on this server due to the volunteer nature of the staff, and the lengths people have shown they will go to for loot.

People are unwilling to compromise so behavior changes must be engineered through code changes.

[Itap]

The only thing we can both agree on then is we are both making assumptions that we cannot prove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Splorf22]

Again Tecmos, I'm not saying EVERY player in TMO has THREE accounts with FULL RESIST GEAR and RIGHT NOW. I'm saying many players in TMO have some of those conditions, and if simultaneous repops became a reality, getting those accounts would become a priority.

[AexDestroy]

To me it sounds like you want to do this.


Current Socks:
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Proposed Socks:
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Extending spawn time just seems to extend sock time?
People are just gonna fuckin sock.

[Frieza_Prexus]

So, I just got back in from being out all weekend.

@ Loraen, I agree completely that the other raid changes are far, far, more valuable, and that if they are a within our grasp that they should be the focus. Nilbog's comments seem to give us hope here, so let's play that out.

That said, if the other changes appeared nonviable, I figured my proposed scheme might be "less offensive" to the dev's sensibilities are it is a modification / fine tuning of the variance.

@ A few select individuals who took the time to explain themselves: I humbly accept the reminder that socking, while not fun, is a tactic of last resort for the smaller guild with no other option. Being in TMO, I can tend to forget that if a small guild absolutely wants a kill, the sock is always an option. I treated socking as an annoyance, whereas for some, it can be a necessity. I suppose hindsight is 20/20 on this one, and I do recognize that my suggestion does favor the larger guilds.

Also, regarding everyone in TMO having a level 60 alt: Most alts are perma camped in Trak lair 90% of the time. Some, like me, have no true alts and we have to haul ours butts everywhere. I keep Xasten at Trak ledge most of the time because we have so few enchanter alts, and I'll log on Elethia's wizard for things like Draco and such. There are a few who have completely pimped out alt armies, but they are relatively the exception.

[August]

I heard of this thing called 'instancing' I really think P99 should try it out. 100% Classic.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I heard of this thing called 'instancing' I really think P99 should try it out. 100% Classic.

I'm down once we get to LDON. It was LDON right?

[fullmetalcoxman]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm down once we get to LDON. It was LDON right?

Yep, LDON. Since we are so classic and all, what expansion did variances get put in?

[Slave]

I think it is time this policy was reviewed in full. It has done nothing to promote end-game raiding. In fact, it has stifled it to the point that when groups of joinees reach the raid scene, they quit in droves. Something needs to be done.