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Old 11-03-2023, 09:11 PM
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He had a heart defect. No way to say that he for sure died from PED use

But what is interesting is his brother was using and has continued to use PED’s since his death 12 years ago, and the brother is ok
We don't know for sure why Zyzz's heart exploded, and he may have had a heart defect as the family said, but we do know the HGH couldn't have helped. Plenty of smokers don't get lung cancer

Not looking to argue PED's I'm sure they have figured out how to get them dialed in well enough to truly minimize ill health effects, but that is a poor choice of thumbnail pic on behalf of that youtuber... unless it was for engagement.
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Old 11-03-2023, 09:34 PM
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We don't know for sure why Zyzz's heart exploded, and he may have had a heart defect as the family said, but we do know the HGH couldn't have helped. Plenty of smokers don't get lung cancer

Not looking to argue PED's I'm sure they have figured out how to get them dialed in well enough to truly minimize ill health effects, but that is a poor choice of thumbnail pic on behalf of that youtuber... unless it was for engagement.
I greatly respect Zyzz

The dude was always open and honest about his use of PED's, and he knew the risk, or at least some of the risk since the serious heart defect he was unaware of (this was proven in an autopsy btw, it's not speculation on the part of the family to my knowledge). Had he known that, he may have decided not to ever dabble with them

You don't have to live a perfect life to be a good role model. In fact, his poor choices resulting in his death serves a perfect warning to the younger generation considering it
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Old 11-03-2023, 09:46 PM
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Zyzz was also open and honest about the side effects that he noticed from his PED's, he's mentioned having big time testicular atrophy and I'm sure would have mentioned the strain on his heart if he was more aware of it

Why all these bodybuilders like him never bothered with HCG is beyond me. All these bodybuilders in vids just accepting "Welp, looks like I have tiny balls for life", when they could easily have prevented that. But too late once atrophy sets in I hear

Then again, my hand doctor said my loss of hand size from muscle atrophy (due to my ulnar nerve issue) was permanent and I grew that muscle back despite his claims
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Old 11-03-2023, 10:01 PM
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Any loss in grip strength on that side?

Several things can happen when a peripheral nerve is damaged, depending on the extent. Can result in repairable damage with recovery complete enough that anything permanent is unnoticeable.... so these are cases where the nerve sheath is intact and axons can recover better within that scaffold. Certain surgeries can achieve this in wholly severed nerves if performed quickly and skillfully enough.

In cases with long term nerve damage and extensive cell death, recovery of activation for some motor units may not be possible... that link is dead for life.

Both of these can result in muscle atrophy, but recovery can only happen in one of them. Even with loss of motor units, you can get some neurogenesis with remaining motor units expanding their turf a little bit and making up for it in other ways. So you can end up with muscle that has mass but isn't quite as efficient. I get patients with mild spinal cord injuries where their quad is actually fairly decent size, compared to the other side, but you get them on their feet and their knee buckles from weakness.
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Old 11-03-2023, 10:06 PM
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Yea there is some slight permanent loss of strength, but only in certain movements, like manipulating a toenail clippers or doing a scissors motion

The doctor I really liked (although I’ve had mostly shit doctors for comparison), but he did give me some bad advice. When the nerve came out of socket and my hand went numb, he said not to wait “like 2 years” to have surgery on the arm. Well, when you tell a procrastinator like me not to wait “2 years”, I’m going to wait about a year and a half

But about a year into waiting I noticed my left hand was becoming skeletonized. Terrified, I called up the doc and scheduled the surgery. He took a look at the hand said “sorry, that atrophy is permanent”

I said “nah doc, building muscle is what I do”, and he said “there’s no fibers left to build”

But that wasn’t completely accurate, as the meat came back to my left hand to where you couldn’t even tell with a cursory glance which arm was fucked up now
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Yea there is some slight permanent loss of strength, but only in certain movements, like manipulating a toenail clippers or doing a scissors motion
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The doctor I really liked (although I’ve had mostly shit doctors for comparison), but he did give me some bad advice. When the nerve came out of socket and my hand went numb, he said not to wait “like 2 years” to have surgery on the arm. Well, when you tell a procrastinator like me not to wait “2 years”, I’m going to wait about a year and a half

But about a year into waiting I noticed my left hand was becoming skeletonized. Terrified, I called up the doc and scheduled the surgery. He took a look at the hand said “sorry, that atrophy is permanent”

I said “nah doc, building muscle is what I do”, and he said “there’s no fibers left to build”

But that wasn’t completely accurate, as the meat came back to my left hand to where you couldn’t even tell with a cursory glance which arm was fucked up now
Sounds like some terrible communication for sure. Glad I'm not a doctor and my miscommunications aren't going to fuck with somebody's nerves
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Old 11-03-2023, 10:18 PM
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Sounds like some terrible communication for sure. Glad I'm not a doctor and my miscommunications aren't going to fuck with somebody's nerves
Yea to that point I guess I still didn’t understand atrophy. I remember asking the doctor, “so doc, if someone was in a wheelchair for 15 years and their legs wasted away, then somehow their spine was repaired, they’d still have skinny skeleton legs forever?”

And he said yes
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Old 11-04-2023, 12:16 AM
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Get passed so rarely on my cardio mountain climb that it always startles me

Got passed today early on, and took a quick survey. Didn’t recognize the dude (I know most of the few cardio freak people who are faster than me, since they’re people that climb it every day or for some of them twice in a row/day). Had the right build, jacked legs and wiry small upper half. But he was in khaki shorts. Hmmm. Also noticed despite his fast hiking pace, he wasn’t running the straight parts. If you want a 25ish min summit time, you can’t even brisk walk those, you gotta run em

So I figured I’ll probably pass this dude. Sure enough at around the midpoint he had to step to one side to let me by. Eeeeugghh, that’s rough bro. Dude was still fast, finished only about a minute or 2 behind

People want to criticize that training for the girls is pointless. But I train for the boys. And by for, I mean against. Was fastest up today, if you ain’t in first yer last!
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Old 11-04-2023, 12:28 AM
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Climbing elevation is such a force multiplier, it’s amazing. Hockey starts back up Sunday, usually gets me out of a fitness funk. Which I’m currently in, I do have a month no booze or weed and I’m feeling great. Little grace goes along way. Keep up the good work here folks.
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Old 11-04-2023, 12:55 AM
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Climbing elevation is such a force multiplier, it’s amazing. Hockey starts back up Sunday, usually gets me out of a fitness funk. Which I’m currently in, I do have a month no booze or weed and I’m feeling great. Little grace goes along way. Keep up the good work here folks.
I’ve had a lifetime of jealousy ever since I was a kid for people who play team sports. All my fitness endeavors have been solo

The before and after IRL socializing and having to synchronize teamwork is good for the brain. You don’t get that with the solo stuff
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