FE knowingly KS's TMO's Trak, Rushes to complete keys and Epics

[Ele]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't run logs for merkk or option if they have them and want to share them they can go for it. hard for your to understand? Go garden around your cardboard box, troll.

If these guys are such pro FTE'ers, they should have logs readily available.

We are waiting.

[Servellious]

TMO trying to spin this one as best as they can.

[bluejam]

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[Ele]

Originally Posted by Servellious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO trying to spin this one as best as they can.

What's to spin? We got the kill. FE is spinning to get it reversed.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If these guys are such pro FTE'ers, they should have logs readily available.

We are waiting.

again wtf does it matter. personal logs can be doctored, see zeelots, who is doctoring the server logs? Unless a GM is doing it they are the best evidence to go off of.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You must living in your own little world. I find it difficult to argue game mechanics with people that don't understand how the game works. Additionally, the way you inconsistently argue your case, one would think you were in federal court. On one hand you argue the logs are doctored. The other hand you assume they are correct, so you can line up your time line analysis to "prove" Zeelot tanked with other people on aggro while DA.

You fail to account that DA can be clicked off. Which is not reflected in the encounter log or the log provided by Zeelot. You further fail to realize or account for the way aggro works in this game. You go off on tangents about oh clicking trakanon isn't aggro, oh Jugg aggro, oh Trakanon landed melee hits... that has to be when Zeelot got on the aggro list!

Face it Steve, you are a guild leader in a game you know nothing about besides how to buy additional characters with plat you earned spending far too much time at Fungi King. You and your crew come on RNF and spin ever which way but correct. If you truly believed that you were leading the new best guild on the server, you guys would have to keep coming in here crying every single day.

P.S. If you believe that Zeelot's log is doctored, how about Merkk and Option post up their logs? Let's throw everything out on the table and see what you got.

Cute, but once again zero substantive content.

1. It is called proof by contradiction; I dont expect someone who argues on the level of a 10 year old to grasp it, so I will forgive you. It works like this: Assume A is true. If A is true, B is true. B cannot be true by definition. The assumption, A, is invalid.

2. I fail to account for the fact that DA can be clicked off? And then you say THIS IS NOT REFLECTED IN THE ENCOUNTER LOG OR ANYWHERE ELSE??? Let me get this straight - I FAILED to account for something that IS NOWHERE IN THE EVIDENCE? You are a real gem. Be good to this one Zeelot.

3. I know how to use those additional characters to take your mobs. I have been using those additional characters to take your mobs. See, I prefer to use my characters to beat you - your guildleader seems to prefer convincing new guides to use half assed logs while spinning stories in their ears and spending 2 hours with them in EC 'testing' what he wants to use as 'evidence' that is nowhere to be found on either encounter log.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why would anything be viewed above the server logs? makes no sense.

Because encounters, when possible, should be reviewed from a totality of the circumstances.

Sirken regarding FTE (snipe) situations

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

take a log or SS of whos in the zone (/w all zone) and send it in with your petition. once upon a time i was in a guild that was literally seconds away from engaging trak when a monk from a competing guild let fly his javelin. we killed trak, yet the other guild got the loots because they had FTE. and yea, it sucked we didnt get the loots, but i had to tip my hat to that monk. but i mean, i'm not an idiot either. if u show me that GuildA had 35 in zone, and that GuildB had 5 in zone. and that GuildB let fly a javelin (technically gaining FTE), i'm not going to take away GuildAs loots. now if both guilds have sufficient raid forces, that would be a different story. you're going to notice in time that i'm a very big advocate of "common sense" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Godefroi]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It's to position mob and setoff AE so that the tanks run in. Go bump the bug report about Shroom touch and DA rather than whining here, it's more productive.

relax john, we're just disclosing your obvious cheat.

You may now carry on to try to look smart and spin it.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Full circle completely wiped on VS, got fte. Grats FC. so your logic is flawed. what about VS logs? hmmm

Past precedent is that as long as a guild has maintained at least some form of continuous aggro, that the encounter is awarded to them. If at any time the chain of aggro from FTE to mob death did not have a member of the guild on it, the kill could be otherwise awarded.

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty

but when you guys do it it is to position the mob lol? hahahhahahh

Again, past precedent has generally circled around maintaining a continuous chain of aggro and expressing good faith intent to engage the mob. If TMO positions a mob and loses the chain of aggro, that mob goes on the market. TMO generally employs tactics that preserve the chain.

However, it is interesting to note that some previous decisions were very strict in their application of the FTE rule. Even if your raid force completely wiped or if you had a single name on the mob (with FTE) you could win the mob. It seems that P99 caselaw is very much evolving to a true FTE with good faith and actual intent as opposed to a strict "First to grab aggro" or "first to grab and maintain a chain of aggro even if you have no intent to kill the mob."

[47shadesofgay]

I too would like to see Merkk and Options logs.