NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[Origen]

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But socialism is antithetical to the pursuit of happiness. You are wasting your time unless you are tricking voters.

Look, Ooloo, it's pure conjecture with no basis in fact exactly like you were going on about a few days ago. I expect you to correct this person accordingly, thanks in advance

[Nibblewitz]

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out (in)
Don't you know it's gonna be
All right?
Don't you know it's gonna be (all right)
Don't you know it's gonna be (all right)
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're all doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be (all right)
Don't you know it's gonna be (all right)
Don't you know it's gonna be (all right)
You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We'd all love to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be (all right)
Don't you know it's gonna be (all right)
Don't you know it's gonna be (all right)
All, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all right
All right, all right, all right, all right, all right

[Origen]

Still no Ooloo, huh?

Damn, pretty selective outrage. I wonder why

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still no Ooloo, huh?

Damn, pretty selective outrage. I wonder why

Man I don't read the forums all day. Just most of it.

So what is the issue here? Socialism? Yeah it sucks. Please see the mountains of skulls littered throughout history.

Capitalism isn't perfect either, but that's hardly surprising. It's kind of a pick your poison dilemma. Do you prefer the socialist mountain of skulls or the capitalist mountain of skulls? At least in capitalism you have a shot at not being miserable forever; socialist countries ensure that everyone is equally poor and miserable. That's why they can't exist for more than five or ten years tops before people get sick of it and revolt.

[Origen]

Very. CUTE. that you pretend to misunderstand the question to avoid addressing my point

No wonder you won't dare "debate"

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

socialist countries ensure that everyone is equally poor and miserable.

You realize you live in a socialist country as much as a capitalist one, right? Unions, paid vacation, sick leave, OSHA, 40 hour work week, overtime, minimum wage (back when it existed in a meaningful form), child labor laws, worker's comp, maternity leave, etc etc all exist because Marxism used to be all the rage before government was reconquered by reactionaries. It was so in vogue it was even adopted by fascists (national socialism).

I also love the underlying complete lack of logic in saying the following:

-Hard socialism has only been tried in poor shithole countries
-Therefore socialism = poor lol

And:

-People who support certain socialist, pro-worker positions literally want factory workers to own the means of production and make the US like Maoist China

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize you live in a socialist country as much as a capitalist one, right? Unions, paid vacation, sick leave, OSHA, 40 hour work week, overtime, minimum wage (back when it existed in a meaningful form), child labor laws, worker's comp, maternity leave, etc etc all exist because Marxism used to be all the rage before government was reconquered by reactionaries. It was so in vogue it was even adopted by fascists (national socialism).

I also love the underlying complete lack of logic in saying the following:

-Hard socialism has only been tried in poor shithole countries
-Therefore socialism = poor lol

And:

-People who support certain socialist, pro-worker positions literally want factory workers to own the means of production and make the US like Maoist China

Yes, there are sensible uses of the term "socialism". Nobody has a problem with maintaining roads or whatever. Taxpayers (the proletariat, if that helps) do often have an issue with needless wasting of their money though.

This is why people like AOC and Bernie are so galling to most people; they reap the rewards of capitalism while spitting on it, and telling poor people that being rich is evil.

[Rager and Quitter]

How do you fix a culture that glorifies drug use, assault and murder, disrespecting women, and going to prison like it's some badge of honor? The same culture totally devalues the need for education, hard work, or being socially and economically responsible.

Lots of effort including governmental programs try to treat symptoms, but never root causes. Well meaning people look past the fatal flaws of this culture shifting the blame away from the individual, and onto others outside the culture as if they perpetuate it extrinsically.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Rager and Quitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you fix a culture that glorifies drug use, assault and murder, disrespecting women, and going to prison like it's some badge of honor? The same culture totally devalues the need for education, hard work, or being socially and economically responsible.

Lots of effort including governmental programs try to treat symptoms, but never root causes. Well meaning people look past the fatal flaws of this culture shifting the blame away from the individual, and onto others outside the culture as if they perpetuate it extrinsically.

That's an awfully harsh way to talk about January 6thers

[Rager and Quitter]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's an awfully harsh way to talk about January 6thers

I honestly don't know what that means, but if they espouse what I was mentioning then they are also part of the problem. That culture is not given to any single group of people. I bet you I can go to any major city and find someone of every skin color that is part of that insidious culture, and it has no place in modern society.