Best 4 person all caster/priest group - Page 110

Troxx · #1 08-31-2022, 10:38 AM

The actual point is that from the second enchanters get charm it is powerful and can be used/abused regularly to result in far more effective solo capability than a warrior can expect. Done properly there is basically no down time and will result in significantly more kills over time than the best of twinked out warriors.

My warrior had 34% haste, fungi and comparable weapons. Could I solo like a buzz saw for the early levels? Absolutely but there was still down time. At best I might have been able to break even with a charm pet fighting monsters of comparable level. Fighting mobs close to the level of the charm pet? No way.

This side tangent is absolutely idiotic.

DeathsSilkyMist · #2 08-31-2022, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The actual point is that from the second enchanters get charm it is powerful and can be used/abused regularly to result in far more effective solo capability than a warrior can expect. Done properly there is basically no down time and will result in significantly more kills over time than the best of twinked out warriors.

My warrior had 34% haste, fungi and comparable weapons. Could I solo like a buzz saw for the early levels? Absolutely but there was still down time. At best I might have been able to break even with a charm pet fighting monsters of comparable level. Fighting mobs close to the level of the charm pet? No way.

This side tangent is absolutely idiotic.

Nobody argued that point that Enchanter charm gets more powerful hehe. I was simply countering the point that classes like Shamans are dead weight in lower levels. This is true, Shamans suck from levels 1-30, but the point is classes like Enchanters and Clerics really aren't much better. They also need about 30 levels to really get going. So it isn't a good argument to say "don't take a Shaman, because they are dead weight at low levels". That is true for other classes too, and you would want to take them since they scale great later on.

Again, Enchanters at low levels have a lot of downtime too. You are vastly underestimating low meditate values, resists, fizzles, interrupts, etc. at low levels. I am leveling an Enchanter, I know hehe.

My Warrior just has SCHW, Wurmslayer, and Fist of Zek.

PlsNoBan · #3 08-31-2022, 10:51 AM

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Nobody argued that point that Enchanter charm gets more powerful hehe. I was simply countering the point that classes like Shamans are dead weight in lower levels. This is true, Shamans suck from levels 1-30, but the point is classes like Enchanters and Clerics really aren't much better. They also need about 30 levels to really get going. So it isn't a good argument to say "don't take a Shaman, because they are dead weight at low levels". That is true for other classes too, and you would want to take them since they scale great later on.

You're just straight up wrong. As I mentioned before I duo'd enc/enc from 1-55. Me and my buddy were duoing camps and killing faster more efficiently in our teens than entire groups. Enchanters are broken powerful. Even if your stupid warrior can do comparable damage (debatable) it can't sustain it as long as a well played enchanter can. I can't believe you're honestly trying to argue this shit. It's fucking absurd.

cd288 · #4 08-31-2022, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The actual point is that from the second enchanters get charm it is powerful and can be used/abused regularly to result in far more effective solo capability than a warrior can expect. Done properly there is basically no down time and will result in significantly more kills over time than the best of twinked out warriors.

My warrior had 34% haste, fungi and comparable weapons. Could I solo like a buzz saw for the early levels? Absolutely but there was still down time. At best I might have been able to break even with a charm pet fighting monsters of comparable level. Fighting mobs close to the level of the charm pet? No way.

This side tangent is absolutely idiotic.

Thank you Troxx. Think we can end this debate here

DeathsSilkyMist · #5 08-31-2022, 10:45 AM

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[Wed Aug 31 07:38:53 2022] Auto attack on.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 62 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 52 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:57 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 73 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:59 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 42 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:00 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:04 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:04 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:07 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:08 2022] You kick a froglok vis shaman for 8 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:10 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 43 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:13 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:13 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:16 2022] a froglok vis shaman begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:17 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 43 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:19 2022] a froglok vis shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:19 2022] A froglok vis shaman feels much better.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:20 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:20 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 48 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 62 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You have slain a froglok vis shaman!
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] Your faction standing with FrogloksofGuk got worse.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You gain experience!!

772 over 29 seconds = 26.6 DPS

https://wiki.project1999.com/A_froglok_vis_shaman , A level 24 mob good enough for you?

DeathsSilkyMist · #6 08-31-2022, 10:56 AM

Except the data shows otherwise.

This "a glyphed sentry" (level 27-29) has 37% haste from Alacrity (to simulate Tola Robe), and a torch in offhand:

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[Tue Aug 30 19:44:06 2022] a glyphed sentry says 'Do not underestimate the might of Mistmoore!'
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:06 2022] a glyphed sentry tells you, 'Attacking a glyphed warder Master.'
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:07 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:07 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 34 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:09 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:09 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:11 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 27 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:12 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:17 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 29 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:18 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 15 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:19 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:21 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:24 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 8 points of damage..
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:28 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:29 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 12 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:30 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 34 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:30 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:30 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:36 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:36 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:45 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 27 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:47 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:49 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:56 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:56 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:58 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 11 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:58 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 40 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:44:58 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 11 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:00 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 16 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:02 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:02 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 48 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:04 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:06 2022] A glyphed sentry kicks a glyphed warder for 6 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:06 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:10 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 45 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:11 2022] A glyphed sentry bashes a glyphed warder for 12 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:12 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 37 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:12 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 32 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:15 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 50 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:15 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:17 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 13 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:19 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 8 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] A glyphed sentry kicks a glyphed warder for 6 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] A glyphed sentry punches a glyphed warder for 55 points of damage.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] a glyphed warder has been slain by a glyphed sentry!
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with AgentsofMistmoore could not possibly get any worse.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with KingTearisThex got better.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with LeagueofAntonicanBards got better.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with MayongMistmoore could not possibly get any worse.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] Your faction standing with RingofScale got better.
[Tue Aug 30 19:45:23 2022] You gain experience!!

1436 in 1 minute 16 seconds = 18.9 DPS

Here is my 24 Warrior fighting a level 24 mob with just 22% worn haste from Silver Chitin Hand Wraps, so he could still be spell hasted. He is using Wurmslayer and Fist of Zek. This example doesn't have crit/crippling blows:

Quote:

[Wed Aug 31 07:38:53 2022] Auto attack on.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 62 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 52 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:54 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 15 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:57 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 73 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:38:59 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 42 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:00 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:04 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:04 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:07 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 18 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:08 2022] You kick a froglok vis shaman for 8 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:10 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 43 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:13 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:13 2022] You crush a froglok vis shaman for 6 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:16 2022] a froglok vis shaman begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:17 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 43 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:19 2022] a froglok vis shaman regains concentration and continues casting.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:19 2022] A froglok vis shaman feels much better.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:20 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:20 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 50 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 48 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You slash a froglok vis shaman for 62 points of damage.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You have slain a froglok vis shaman!
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] Your faction standing with FrogloksofGuk got worse.
[Wed Aug 31 07:39:23 2022] You gain experience!!

772 over 29 seconds = 26.6 DPS

As I said before, classes like Enchanters aren't as good as you think at lower levels. From levels 1-30 or so, even with a decked out pet, your DPS isn't going to be amazing. This also doesn't consider your lower mana pool, slower mana regen, fizzles, interrupts, spell resists, etc. Enchanters will have downtime too because your skills are lower level. I am leveling an Enchanter up, so I know.

It is silly to say "classes that aren't great at low levels shouldn't be taken". Enchanters obviously get way more powerful later on, so it is worth the wait. It is the same thing with Shamans. They suck from levels 1-30 or so, but get much more powerful later on.

PatChapp · #7 08-31-2022, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except the data shows otherwise.

This "a glyphed sentry" (level 27-29) has 37% haste from Alacrity (to simulate Tola Robe), and a torch in offhand:

Here is my 24 Warrior fighting a level 24 mob with just 22% worn haste from Silver Chitin Hand Wraps, so he could still be spell hasted. He is using Wurmslayer and Fist of Zek. This example doesn't have crit/crippling blows:

As I said before, classes like Enchanters aren't as good as you think at lower levels. From levels 1-30 or so, even with a decked out pet, your DPS isn't going to be amazing. This also doesn't consider your lower mana pool, slower mana regen, fizzles, interrupts, spell resists, etc. Enchanters will have downtime too because your skills are lower level. I am leveling an Enchanter up, so I know.

It is silly to say "classes that aren't great at low levels shouldn't be taken". Enchanters obviously get way more powerful later on, so it is worth the wait. It is the same thing with Shamans. They suck from levels 1-30 or so, but get much more powerful later on.

Carry some silver chitin hand wraps on your Enchanter,up to lvl 30 pets,they will haste cap with alacrity and cheap enough to be throw away
I had alot of fun in cazic Thule on my enchanter high 20s to low 40s, nice and hectic solo and grouping

DeathsSilkyMist · #8 08-31-2022, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Carry some silver chitin hand wraps on your Enchanter,up to lvl 30 pets,they will haste cap with alacrity and cheap enough to be throw away
I had alot of fun in cazic Thule on my enchanter high 20s to low 40s, nice and hectic solo and grouping

Oh my example was showing a pet with Tola Robe (36% haste item). The Haste spell is simulating that, because I don't have a Tola Robe on my Enchanter at the moment. My Warrior didn't have spell haste on, so that means both the pet and the Warrior could still be spell hasted. The DPS difference wouldn't change, the numbers would just increase for both when they get spell hasted.

Troxx · #9 08-31-2022, 11:07 AM

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DeathsSilkyMist · #10 08-31-2022, 11:09 AM

You guys must get tired of being proven wrong. Not surprising, since all you can do is insult and meme. I would love to see some data.