prop 37 in Cali

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your right, I'm fat and unhealthy, so what.
Does that mean I shouldn't be concerned with what the children are eating?
With what is happening to independent farmers?
etc....
the list goes on and on,

but your right, I can't do 10 pull ups so I guess my opinion doesn't count

It means you need to put things in perspective and show logical consistency.

Why so much emphasis on genetically engineered food when, even if everything you are saying is true, it still isn't as damaging to your health as abuse of sugar or fat-filled foods? Or physical inactivity?

We don't see labels on candy bars or cheeseburgers that say "THE SUGAR/FAT IN THIS WILL DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH IF CONSUMED IN LARGE AMOUNTS", when that is undisputed empirical fact.

I don't inherently disagree with labeling food if it is genetically altered. My problem with it is that it is clearly motivated by fear, ignorance, and a misplaced sense of importance by the same breed of dipshit who buys organic food because it is "healthy", and then sits on the couch all fucking day every day.

Some day genetic engineering may allow us to grow crops without using harmful pesticides, and without any ill effects if eaten. Prop 37 was championed by 'organic' and 'natural' foods companies who have a vested interest in selling you an $8 vegetable.

[dredge]

"Unfortunately, it is impossible to verify that genetically modified crops perform as advertised. That is because agritech companies have given themselves veto power over the work of independent researchers."
— Scientific American Editorial 13.8.2009

"Most safety studies of genetically modified organisms have been conducted by the corporations that market them. Their results have generally been withheld from independent reviewers, and intellectual property rights restrictions are used to create barriers to conducting independent studies."
— New York Times letter to editor 2011

babzee420 (5 weeks ago)

A new GMO study may very well change the way that the world looks at GMOs once and for all. Complete with shocking and very disturbing photos of rats with tumors larger than a golf ball in size, a new French GMO study has concluded that rats fed a lifelong diet consisting of Roundup-containing genetically modified corn suffered serious consequences. While the onset of tumors was the most obvious and damaging effect, the researchers reveal that the rats also received heavy amounts of damage to multiple organs.

As a result of the mass tumors, liver and kidney damage, it was concluded that around 50% of the males and 70% of the females died prematurely as a result of eating only Roundup tolerant seed or drinking water with Roundup as approved levels set by the United States government.

Read more: naturalsociety.com/gmo-study-rats-fed-lifetim e-of-gm-deve...

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a result of the mass tumors, liver and kidney damage, it was concluded that around 50% of the males and 70% of the females died prematurely as a result of eating only Roundup tolerant seed or drinking water with Roundup as approved levels set by the United States government.

And so naturally when you are attempting to solve a problem that is condoned by the government, you turn to the government. Makes sense.

[dredge]

"Prop 37 was championed by 'organic' and 'natural' foods companies who have a vested interest in selling you an $8 vegetable."


I'm sorry, I disagree.
Prop 37 was championed mostly by mothers with children with severe allergies and people sick and tired of trying to make healthy decisions and not being able to due to the lack of labeling.

On the other hand prop 37 was squashed by corporate interest in profit, big pharm and others fueled by greed:
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sure there are small organic companies with invested interest for prop 37 to pass, but they are grossly out weighed by the corporate and big pharm money on the other side.

We need a change.

Do you really think a vegetable cost $8 in China, Russia or Europe?
Why do you suppose these countries won't let our gmo crops over their borders?

You can't let Monsanto regulate them-self and trust their own scientific studies, and as soon as and independent tries to conduct a study their funds are yanked by the university due to Monsanto pressure.

[Spitty]

Still haven't heard back on that one post.

Confirmed meat-with-eyes. Keep bleating about your cause, righteous warrior.

[Orruar]

Keep on fighting to have the government solve your problems. By the time they implement a halfassed "solution" that doesn't solve the problem, you could have solved it a hundred times over using non-governmental methods.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep on fighting to have the government solve your problems. By the time they implement a halfassed "solution" that doesn't solve the problem, you could have solved it a hundred times over using non-governmental methods.

I should be more clear.

You'll be able to solve it using market forces if it really is a problem. If you can't convince enough people to give a shit about the problem, perhaps that means you're fighting for a non-important cause. Usually when people run to the government to address an issue, it's because they have failed at convincing people on their own.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Usually when people run to the government to address an issue, it's because they have failed at convincing people on their own.

This

[dredge]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep on fighting to have the government solve your problems. By the time they implement a halfassed "solution" that doesn't solve the problem, you could have solved it a hundred times over using non-governmental methods.

I get right on hiring a elite team of incorruptible science Ninjas to battle the system, we can do underground tests with out anyone's financial backing.

this sound like a great idea

[Reiker000]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get right on hiring a elite team of incorruptible science Ninjas to battle the system, we can do underground tests with out anyone's financial backing.

this sound like a great idea

Or you could drum up support for a bill that actually accomplishes the things you believe in without the ambiguity and detriment towards small business that Proposition 37 had. But nah, keep on armchair warrioring over Project 1999 forums, I'm sure that will accomplish a lot.