2-boxing penalty

[bigeasy]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comment to the individual who feels it's not fair to the person who shares his account info and gets his account banned.

When I was a player I was friends with 2 guys on the blue server. We all had each other's info. Till the day i saw one of the guys boxing our druid friend's account. I called our druid friend and his PW and my pw changed that night.

When you give your password to someone that makes you ultimately responsible for their actions while using your character. So that means if you share your info with someone and he ninja loots a corpse. Your character will probably eat a ban on your account and the person who was playing the character will eat a ban on their main.

So if you give your password to Nirgon and he chooses to 2-box your character then i catch him....i'm going to ban both accounts. and I hear it all. believe me. "But it wasn't my choice to 2-box. I did not CHOOSE to do this." You made your choice. You gave your account information to someone and s/he fucked you over.

I can tell you that nirgon is right. 100%. Each IP exemption takes me probably 3 minutes of time to do (Or more. Depending on how many accounts I am looking at) So I did 200 IP exemptions last week over the course of 2 evenings. Inevitably at least 2 of those accounts are going to show up being boxed. Because people as a rule are greedy and they think i'm stupid.

When you 2-box I see it as an incredible slap to the face anyway. But if you 2-box on an ip-exemption that *I* Granted then I see it as you basically spitting in my face then back handing me. I take it as a serious sign of lack of respect for the server staff and the work that we do here. If you 2-box on an ip exemption here then I feel that you obviously do not respect me, the server rules or the time and effort that we put forth to bring you the server.

That is exactly how i see it.

Some people feel this is too harsh. I think honestly the ones who feel it is too harsh are the ones who either (A) want to 2-box, (B) already secretly 2-box and haven't been caught yet or (C) have been busted 2-boxing.

and yes. I am this harsh on MQ and exploiting. but that's not what this thread is about.

seems to me that the majority of the people that voted think the penalty on a first time offense is too harsh, but amelinda has clearly made her feelings clear on this thread several times, so the purpose of the poll is over my head since her feelings are the only one that counts as the server admin?

i seen stories in this thread about people being banned for 2 years for boxing but on various instances seen multiple players caught for exploiting and other cheats unbanned or slapped on the wrist with a suspension. clearly both are not treated the same.

confused. integrity of the server is important, but there seems to be quite a range of punishment here. there is no scaling, its either you get suspended for a week, or you get perma banned instantly without a suspension. perma banning accounts that have never been suspended is ludicrous, especially considering the dwindling population on this server.

[bounky37]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comment to the individual who feels it's not fair to the person who shares his account info and gets his account banned.

When I was a player I was friends with 2 guys on the blue server. We all had each other's info. Till the day i saw one of the guys boxing our druid friend's account. I called our druid friend and his PW and my pw changed that night.

That is exactly how i see it.

Not trying to take things out of context with this quote, the bolded part seemed like it was for your entire post.

Now when it comes to the person who was dual boxing your friend, you didn't do the right thing and report the dual boxer to get both accounts banned. Why would you go against the rules that you now strictly follow? At the time did they seem harsh for this situation?

My point being that in your own personal situation you could see that both accounts didn't deserve a ban. You do say that you were a player at the time so I get that you couldn't do it yourself, but the fact stays that in your personal situation with someone dual boxing someone you felt that a ban was not warranted.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by bigeasy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i seen stories in this thread about people being banned for 2 years for boxing but on various instances seen multiple players caught for exploiting and other cheats unbanned or slapped on the wrist with a suspension. clearly both are not treated the same.

/confused

That's how I feel. I'm not really counting on my accounts ever being unbanned, seeing as it's been that long, but watching all of these people get leniency for what I consider significantly worse offenses is kind of annoying. Especially since besides the occasionally forum trolling, I help out the community in game and have donated to the server. These other people are exploiting, using MQ, training, ninja looting, and they received a de-level or weeks suspension. My feeling is if the admins are going to be strict on this policy, be strict across the board.

[bigeasy]

only in a game is it possible for a rule to be so strictly imposed and enforced upon on a community's opinion that is split half / half on

id like to see the government try to impose a new law that has a 50/50 split and see how well that goes over

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by bigeasy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

only in a game is it possible for a rule to be so strictly imposed and enforced upon on a community's opinion that is split half / half on

id like to see the government try to impose a new law that has a 50/50 split and see how well that goes over

Hehe well this isn't exactly a democracy by any means, but the forums are here to voice reasonable opinions. If they want to take them into account or just tell us to go fuck ourselves, that's their right. We have no rights here.

[Amelinda]

Here is a loose breakdown of punishments. but each punishment is individual and we don't want to give you a "get out of jail free" card. (IE: I am not going to give you tons of details so you know what to tell me to get out of punishments in the future. that would be stupid)

Training: 1st offense is usually 3 days, 2nd 7-10 days, 3rd ban
*note* I have to see the train or have an undeniable fraps. but to ban i'm pretty much gonna need to see the train.
Exploiting pathing: 1st offense is generally 7 days.
Duping plat or items: permaban
Macroquest or ShowEQ usage: Permaban
other hacking: permaban

[Szeth]

Amelinda very serious question. If I give my account info to someone, who then without my permission gives it to a third party without my knowledge.... and the third party does something against the rules...

Should I still be punished?

Not that this happened...

[Slave]

"For children are innocent and love justice, while most of us are wicked and naturally prefer mercy."

Originally Posted by bounky37 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you didn't do the right thing and report the dual boxer to get both accounts banned. Why would you go against the rules that you now strictly follow? At the time did they seem harsh for this situation?

My point being that in your own personal situation you could see that both accounts didn't deserve a ban. You do say that you were a player at the time so I get that you couldn't do it yourself, but the fact stays that in your personal situation with someone dual boxing someone you felt that a ban was not warranted.

I am personally against harsh punishments for dual-boxing (especially in a non-experiencing or camping capacity) because of the way that far more egregious violations of MQ hax and exploits have been handled on this server.

In the example above, I would have been for a ban. Sharing account information is not something that should be protected this way, in my opinion. Amelinda herself did not properly report the problem in this situation, yet she says she'd love to permaban anyone caught transferring an item to an alt.

The lack of consistency and obvious favoritism on P99 is really beginning to come to the forefront and cause a lot of unnecessary drama. It almost feels like we're going to need new blood at the upper levels soon to get the kind of transparency and justice that all the gamers who have devoted their time here in good faith deserve.

[bigeasy]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"For children are innocent and love justice, while most of us are wicked and naturally prefer mercy."



I am personally against harsh punishments for dual-boxing (especially in a non-experiencing or camping capacity) because of the way that far more egregious violations of MQ hax and exploits have been handled on this server.

In the example above, I would have been for a ban. Sharing account information is not something that should be protected this way, in my opinion. Amelinda herself did not properly report the problem in this situation, yet she says she'd love to permaban anyone caught transferring an item to an alt.

The lack of consistency and obvious favoritism on P99 is really beginning to come to the forefront and cause a lot of unnecessary drama. It almost feels like we're going to need new blood at the upper levels soon to get the kind of transparency and justice that all the gamers who have devoted their time here in good faith deserve.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=46654

they say they perma ban over showeq/macroquest but they gave hundreds of people a get out of jail free card for using this very exact thing, why? because it affected a large amount of the population

so to that i say, red 99 barely has over 100 peak, not sure how many accounts you popped for dual boxing, but if it's double digits, i think applying the same kind of leniency is in order.

[Silentone]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comment to the individual who feels it's not fair to the person who shares his account info and gets his account banned.

When I was a player I was friends with 2 guys on the blue server. We all had each other's info. Till the day i saw one of the guys boxing our druid friend's account. I called our druid friend and his PW and my pw changed that night.

When you give your password to someone that makes you ultimately responsible for their actions while using your character. So that means if you share your info with someone and he ninja loots a corpse. Your character will probably eat a ban on your account and the person who was playing the character will eat a ban on their main.
So if you give your password to Nirgon and he chooses to 2-box your character then i catch him....i'm going to ban both accounts. and I hear it all. believe me. "But it wasn't my choice to 2-box. I did not CHOOSE to do this." You made your choice. You gave your account information to someone and s/he fucked you over.

I can tell you that nirgon is right. 100%. Each IP exemption takes me probably 3 minutes of time to do (Or more. Depending on how many accounts I am looking at) So I did 200 IP exemptions last week over the course of 2 evenings. Inevitably at least 2 of those accounts are going to show up being boxed. Because people as a rule are greedy and they think i'm stupid.

When you 2-box I see it as an incredible slap to the face anyway. But if you 2-box on an ip-exemption that *I* Granted then I see it as you basically spitting in my face then back handing me. I take it as a serious sign of lack of respect for the server staff and the work that we do here. If you 2-box on an ip exemption here then I feel that you obviously do not respect me, the server rules or the time and effort that we put forth to bring you the server.

That is exactly how i see it.

Some people feel this is too harsh. I think honestly the ones who feel it is too harsh are the ones who either (A) want to 2-box, (B) already secretly 2-box and haven't been caught yet or (C) have been busted 2-boxing.

and yes. I am this harsh on MQ and exploiting. but that's not what this thread is about.

So, Perun will suffer the same penalty as the person who ninja looted the RageFire cleric epic , right Amelinda?

i'm going to pretend that you didn't ask this in this thread.