Veeshan's Peak

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Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's something to talk about.. I have also heard that CS would not involve themselves in any matters whatsoever within veeshan's peak on eqlive back in the day. I think even nilbog confirmed this. That would make for some interesting situations in VP if the guilds were to start training / kill stealing eachother. I'm not against that if that's how the players want it to be.

Disclaimer: This will not be the case unless/until I officially state it is. Discuss it though, I'm interested to hear your opinions.

Yes, YES, YES!

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Originally Posted by Trystych [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was a point both TR and TMO agreed on. TR had hopes of going into VP with 18 people and trying to best silverwing, but the zone was not complete in time due to an act of god striking Nilbogs house, and by the time it was we had around than 50 keys completed and now far more than that. The idea of zoning into VP and roflstomping dragons with well over 100 people (assuming TR and TMO were to joint raid, which will not happen) is anticlimactic.

Mark me down for the standard raid rules applying to VP side, my preference would be to not have the pinnacle of kunark raid zones become a train and grief fest. If I wanted that kind of horseshit I would be in luck since red99 opens the same day.

[john_savage1982]

Originally Posted by Duie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Link doesnt do it justice Bob. this is the number one reason you had more rotation servers than you had FTE . GMs didnt get involved too often when it came to raiding. you either worked it out or you spent a lot of time CRing

Yes I know...another thread on raiding on p99 and all the bullshit it involves. Sorry

In my opinion,

Seems like the most simple and elegant solution possible, something Devs can implement today which really would bring back that "classic feel", is ZERO gm interference for raid targets.

Guild X is going for CT, Guild Z Trains the shit outta them so they are unable to kill CT.

Normal scenario = Petitions, whining, bitching, GM intervention, suspensions, one guild getting loot over another, RnF posts, whining, bitching. Rinse and Repeat.


In my new perfect world there are no GM interventions. You don't like Guild Z training your shit? Train them back. For awhile its going to be a cluster fuck of trains. RnF will actually be worth reading again.

However, in the long run while this shitstorm is going on the intelligent players are going to realize, "shit man....we haven't killed anything worthwhile in weeks....all we do is train each other"

Once they realize this things should start to change, guild alliances, raid rotations, Big guilds letting small guilds help kill raid targets and getting to pick one item of loot off boss?! PEOPLE BEHAVING LIKE ADULTS!!?

Let the guilds police themselves. 99% of the server doesn't give a shit if Guild Z is Training Guild X in Fear. It does not effect us, we do not give a shit.

Spend your time fixing bugs, helping players with real issues and let the raid scene police its self.

The entire raid scene will deadlock if every time someone gets ready to kill Trak another guild trains them till they give up.

My option will FORCE guilds to play nice and free up DEV and GM time since they wont have to deal with the bullshit.


Not that anyone cares but, I am in Management at UPS. I learned a long time ago that if you treat your employees like children, always involving yourself every time they have the smallest issue, they will behave exactly like children. And I spent more time babysitting them than getting my work done.

However, if you treat them like intelligent adults and make them solve their own issues suddenly they have brains and are able to figure out most issues for themselves. Now a days I could not even show up to work and everything would be done and done correctly because I have a crew of people who think for themselves instead of a crew of children always looking to me to fix things.

I will admit I did not do much raiding Pre Velious and I have done ZERO raiding on P99, mostly due to not wanting to deal with all the bullshit here.

However, I think the P99 staff needs to step back and learn from my mistakes. Treat the players like adults and let the guilds police themselves and I think you will be pleasantly surprised in the long run.

This makes perfect sense. GM involvement is just distorting behavior. It's their sandbox though for better or worse and they want raiding to be conducted in their vision.

Raiding FFA would indeed cause a lot of grief in the beginning because the dominant strategy would be to cause grief to increase chances of scoring loot. However, in repeated games people will realize that griefing one another over and over is just wasting time and not really helping either party. Once this realization begins occurring, players will move towards devising agreements to reduce the unnecessary conflict.

It is a matter of perspective, though. Some players prefer a system where raw time commitment should be the arbiter of loot distribution and these players see this arrangement as the most fair. Others see variations of "whatever it takes" as more fair as without GM interference the game mechanisms are designed such that KS/training is possible (modern MMORPGs, recognizing players QQing, introduced mechanisms to prevent griefing). In an environment of "whatever it takes" guilds are forced to behave as adults and create their own arrangements between one another instead of relying on GMs to play that role.

[citizen1080]

You clearly have an extremely low IQ and therefor are not capable of grasping the point of my post. However I feel bad picking on those less fortunate than myself so I will just say this.

GOOD JOB BUDDY! YOU GOT IT RIGHT!

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really show your wisdom in this post thinking that letting a bunch of people terrorize each other with no intervention is somehow going to end with things being better and everyone hugging.

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that no CS involvement in VP is fantastic.

wait wut?

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really show your wisdom in this post thinking that letting a bunch of people terrorize each other with no intervention is somehow going to end with things being better and everyone hugging. Your way is the way it was done on TZ and the result was that one guild became dominant, competition faded, and the population dwindled. You probably know better though after all you're a manager at UPS.


Aside from that rediculousness that keeps being spewed I think that no CS involvement in VP is fantastic. These top tier raiders on this server are undoubtedly the most detrimental to the long term health of this server as they are the people who are using third party programs, and behaving like children. Everquest was a game that required team work. People didn't progress through content by only working with their own teams. People reached across servers to make it work. Here we have maybe 300 odd people who can't work together. Instead of growing up and realize that 12 year old emulated content doesn't amount to dick they shit up the forum with complaints about how the staff wants to run their own server, that they themselves put their own time and effort into. I think the top end of this server needs a lesson in humility and losing corpses because they want to act like adolescents over ancient pixels might be a good start.

[Hoggen]

Will loot be trade-able like it was upon VP release on live?

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Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Will loot be trade-able like it was upon VP release on live?

No. As far as I can tell the droppable items out of VP are from a re-vamp.

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On the very first few clears of VP the items were all tradeable. You can see it in the SS forum VP post. That was rectified almost immediately as it was a mistake and I think rogean already said everything is starting as no drop.

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wait wut

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Originally Posted by Duie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will admit I did not do much raiding Pre Velious and I have done ZERO raiding on P99, mostly due to not wanting to deal with all the bullshit here.

Did Duie sell his accounts? Last time I checked, he was an active member of Taken who has definitely done more than

Originally Posted by Duie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ZERO raiding on P99

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my bad vp on live is 70+ pretty much but still revamped i remember doing new key lol