Let's keep talking about how Hasbinbad was banned.

[Harrison]

It must be so shitty to have to make shit up in arguments rather than have actual proof. (and accusing people of cheating)

[purist]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper

Also, I'd like to add that he had a medical discharge due to the fact that he has had far too many concussions in his lifetime, and suffered from Acid Reflux disease. He would have needed to get 3 or 4 different types of waivers to get passed MEPS. That's more than enough reason for me, if I was in that situation, to not give a shit anymore. He was signed in as a combat medic yes, his ASVAB score was high enough to choose any job he wanted to, but because of those waivers, he didn't end up joining in.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=277

[Appollo]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being associated with a guild chock full of cheaters is EXTREMELY questionable.

"Chock full" is a loaded phrase. While there unquestionably was a substantial amount of accounts suspended. Your claim is hyperbolic. As far as the "frequent forum flyers" investigation is concerned, no one guild has had a substantial amount of individuals suspended. And, while I agree with Hasbinbad when he said, with respect to cheaters: "They do reflect on - but do not represent - the rest of an organization", I think it's worth adding that you cannot control everyone in your guild. In fact, it's impossible.

To be sure, you can take measures to ensure that you do not associate with cheaters, you can implement a policy, you can even enforce that policy, but at the end of the day people lie, decieve and cheat anyway. I'm not condoning what happened and I'm certainly not saying that one should not try, because I think those types of policies work and do have a deterrent effect on those within your guild. But, the fact remains that there will be outliers. Which, as far as I know, that's what each guild has been associated with: outliers. They do not represent the guild as a whole.

Nevertheless, the argument is somewhat hamstrung by the fact that an officer was suspended, which also makes it more difficult to claim ignorance of the impropriety. However, the fact remains that you cannot control the actions of others and I certainly do not support the idea that one guild or one person should be condemned because they associated with someone who was caught cheating. Could they be be condemend? Sure, it's all contextual. Should the cheaters be condemend: absolutely. But, the son does not inherit the sins of the father, if you will. And, I subscribe to the belief that you need more evidence than mere association in order to condemn.

[Harrison]

So where in that did I try to say I was in combat? Where in that does it say I wasn't enlisted, or was "denied" lmfao?

Oh, that's right. It never happened. Words were twisted by butthurt little pussies like you, and it never really worked. But, you'll stick to it because that's all you have...fabrications.

[Dirt McGirt]

lol harrison continues stalling and repeating himself. You're only fooling casual passers-by and skimmers that you have an argument, bro

[G13]

Also, I'd like to add that he had a medical discharge due to the fact that he has had far too many concussions in his lifetime

It's obvious he has brain damage as a result of these "excessive concussions"

[Hasbinbad]

Appollo coming all reasonable and shit.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I support any action that lessens the probability of cheating, hacking, or use of 3rd party programs to gain advantage over others. Including any and all disciplinary actions taken by staff and the associated guild leadership. This has always been true and will never change.

As to the cheaters in my guild, the jury is still out quite frankly as to the extent of the problem. Your use of words seems to indicate that you think most of TR has been suspended. I have a feeling that as opposed to there being a majority of my guild cheating, a minority of many different guilds will be back after 2 weeks at level 54. There are always bad apples in any group. They do reflect on - but do not represent - the rest of an organization. Case in point, me; I was extremely frustrated and dismayed at the results of this sting, but in the end I am glad it happened.

Was I "conveniently oblivious?" Yes.

Honestly, I don't know why I'm wasting my breath. I know you don't really care how I feel, and are just trying to troll me. Just thought I should comment against my better judgement because I feel pretty strongly on this issue.

Actions speak louder than words as they say.

Your entire guild spamming "will WILL NOT TOLERATE cheaters.....cheating is unacceptable..." blah blah blah.

By letting those individuals remain tagged you're simply proving that you're all talk and public image.

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It must be so shitty to have to make shit up in arguments rather than have actual proof. (and accusing people of cheating)

You've been doing nothing BUT that for as long as you've been polluting the forums.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Really not surprising as every member of IB/TR that I've ***EVER*** met has been a complete pompous douchebag.

You guys have exhibited since the server launch that you believe yourselves to be above the server rules. This has been true since "Rusty Long Swords" training all non-guildmates out of Crushbone to claim camps from themselves; this being the first week the server was open.

You're a guild that's all talk and no action -- I'm pretty sure nobody believes, let alone cares, about your "cheating is unacceptable...training is unacceptable blah blah blah" rhetoric.

That's all it is -- rhetoric. No action, just words.