Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by choklo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is nice Tarathiel, maybe even a ray of hope. Are you guys going to duo trak too?

no, but we tag teamed your mom last night after the raid =D

[Deadmantis]

Originally Posted by CHusk2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey guys,

I think it's important to stop and smell the proverbial roses every once in a while. Getting laid from time to time doesn't hurt, either.

Alkaiser Baneofmistmoore - 45 Erudite Cleric of Prexus

As a former poopsocker and raider from EQ live, I have no interest in raiding on P99. After reading some of the nonsense that goes on here, I am thankful for that.

This time around I am taking time to enjoy the things I skipped over before in the mad rush to get to the endgame. Besides, I am in a better place now compared to 12 years ago. I am no longer living in the basement eating hot pockets. I am now engaged to be married, working a better job, and I enjoy seeing the light of day.
To each his own I guess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Skope]

Tiggles, you seem to forget that a lot of original live EQ servers had a set rotation, sometimes even calendar based. Please don't tell me you're one of those "FTE! IT WAS THE EQ WAY" people, because quite a few of us can remember that it most certainly wasn't. It depended on the server, but no servers had 4 day windows on primary targets and incessant sockfests. FTE and FFA is all fine and dandy if it were done properly, but Save the Ayn Rand shit for your economy class. But, perhaps more importantly, don't pull a Loke. The server's raid scene has been crap for a while now (since last year) with intermittent moments of actual competition. Raid rules were changed and still the outcome was the same. I don't feel I need to post exactly how i feel about this or the specifics, and more clearly quite a few people seem to think much the same way. If you really want to start a GM favoritism thread, this would be your best evidence.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Yes. Spare me your talk of 'competition'. I don't want the staff to have to come in and tell people how to play you mental midget. On live if you were moving a group to say Efreeti and you killed all the imps except the ones inside his room your group would set up outside and pull. You manage to pull the guards inside leaving him alone, and another guild runs up and ganks him. Anyone that pulled that kind of dickhead stunt would be vilified and eviscerated for such asshole behavior. Here it is encouraged and you peons call it 'competition.' You say other guilds aren't willing to 'compete' so they obviously don't 'deserve' anything because they aren't 'dedicated' or 'hardcore' enough. What a crock of bullshit. And let me be clear again, no one is complaining that if TR or TMO or any guild in the past as Loke referred to gets the gods/dragons because they are willing to text message or mobilize quickly. That was always how things worked.

P99 legal competition

is not how 'competition' works. You call yourselves skilled and dedicated and therefore deserving of said targets or mobs when in fact I curse you for the selfish cowards you are. The rules in place only serve the guild on top. This game has always been about camping things AND mobilizing and when you have this 5 day variance all it does is make it easier for certain people to get more and everyone else less. Put the shit back on a fixed timer so people know when it spawns. And LIKE ANY OTHER CAMP the person that got there first has the fucking camp. Your bullshit about being able to leapfrog and steal pulls and show no lack of courtesy or respect is just a transparent veil that enables you to be selfish assholes. Under the 'rules' here the behavior that was not tolerated or allowed on live is fair game and encouraged. But you can claim that it is 'legal' so therefore you are in the right, and doing nothing wrong.

The story is the same, every time one guild pulls a dick move people say "I'm not the one leading" or "It wasn't my call". How about "Yeah I didn't agree with it" or "I didn't approve". Yet those same people go along with it because not to means no loot for them. Too cowardly to stand up for anything and too selfish to say anything. Fire giants were always part of Nagafen I don't remember guilds leapfrogging and training each other once you had your guild at bind corner the last few pulls and the Nagafen attempt was yours. Every chance you have had at affecting a change by your actions on this server you have ignored and went for whatever got you the loot. No thoughts to the long term or what you were doing just going for the phat lewt for you. The actions of the 'top' raiding guilds on this server have created this mess and I have seen no tangible action that leads me to believe they want anything other then what we have. Killing every single mob and ensuring no one else got nothing forces people to poopsock. And quit fucking talking of competition like we have that here you morons have twisted and warped any sense of the word and simply are enablers seeking to keep any kind of system in place that servers you and you alone. Show me otherwise, prove it. Because your actions have spoken loud and clear on this server for quite some time.

[Mcbard]

That's how every MMO I've ever played works actually.. more time invested and a higher level of preparation leads to more rewards. Isn't that pretty much the entire point of playing an MMO? I mean, that is what a level based system encourages right.. it's not like they get any easier or take any less time the higher you get.. and a lot of people want to get max level (yes you can do this while having fun) not run around roleplaying that you're a bear or some retarded shit.

So ya, I think hardcore mmo players typically do put a lot of time into the game they're playing, not sure what other game you've been playing but that's how it works and thems the breaks.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's how every MMO I've ever played works actually.. more time invested and a higher level of preparation leads to more rewards. Isn't that pretty much the entire point of playing an MMO? I mean, that is what a level based system encourages right.. it's not like they get any easier or take any less time the higher you get.. and a lot of people want to get max level (yes you can do this while having fun) not run around roleplaying that you're a bear or some retarded shit.

So ya, I think hardcore mmo players typically do put a lot of time into the game they're playing, not sure what other game you've been playing but that's how it works and thems the breaks.

i disagree, but you're in TR so you'll produce some bullshit defense mechanism to justify your unhealthy play time

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i disagree, but you're in TR so you'll produce some bullshit defense mechanism to justify your unhealthy play time

Lol no.. if you disagree you disagree. I don't feel that I need to defend my style of play, no more then you or anyone else needs to defend theirs. We all play the game we want to, and if we're not we change something about it or we stop. I was simply stating facts; mmo's reward "better loot" and "harder mobs" to those who put in more time anda higher level of preperation. They work on a tier system, where those at higher teirs and levels have access to better in game things. That's just sort of how it works. So naturally those willing to spend more time preparing for something and investing time in it are generally the ones who are rewarded by it.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's how every MMO I've ever played works actually.. more time invested and a higher level of preparation leads to more rewards. Isn't that pretty much the entire point of playing an MMO? I mean, that is what a level based system encourages right.. it's not like they get any easier or take any less time the higher you get.. and a lot of people want to get max level (yes you can do this while having fun) not run around roleplaying that you're a bear or some retarded shit.

So ya, I think hardcore mmo players typically do put a lot of time into the game they're playing, not sure what other game you've been playing but that's how it works and thems the breaks.

you can put in all the time you want, but when it's excessive and was originally put in place to prevent behaviors that are taking place anyway it then serves no purpose and furthermore is actually going against the main objective of the server. you know?

if you played WoW you might remember the old 72hr limit on some raid zones ( i think it was 72 hrs?) where you couldn't raid a zone until that limit ran down. You were allowed to still play the game and do whatever else you wanted, but thems the timelimit for that particular zone. People didn't sit in front the port-in until that limit wore off, they actually played the game. what's happening now isn't necessary, and it's actually driving away competition because it's so unnecessary. should i really have to spend 4 days in a zone waiting for something to spawn that should have a window only a quarter of the size of the current window? all this to deter people from sitting on its spawn when they do it anyway? how the hell are we not on the same page here?

you can still put in more time and get more shit, like waking up at 3am to down (insert awesome name here) or spend all day in crypt or efreeti's lair. my point is that you SHOULD be doing that instead of waiting around for 4 days and poopsocking because of some old decrepit shitbag of a rule that never worked anyway. as it stands, people who actually PLAY the game are at a disadvantage.

[arsenalpow]

If you thought shaere's rant was bad, I can't wait to see what he says about Taken clearing all the fire giants then having TR leapfrog and engage simultaneously on Naggy.

I believe Taken got the kill but TR claimed first to engage, it's all still being hashed out I believe...

Also, what's the policy on having 52+ people actually participating in the Nagafen fight and not getting banished? I watched Slydexx and Oblexis chain nuke and never get banished.

[Ring]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you thought shaere's rant was bad, I can't wait to see what he says about Taken clearing all the fire giants then having TR leapfrog and engage simultaneously on Naggy.

I believe Taken got the kill but TR claimed first to engage, it's all still being hashed out I believe...

Also, what's the policy on having 52+ people actually participating in the Nagafen fight and not getting banished? I watched Slydexx and Oblexis chain nuke and never get banished.

That's hilarious. So Taken abuses a bug in the banish system to get the kill on Naggy with level 60s chain nuking? Oh Shaere, your rants... they just won't have the same moral authority (not that they did considering I just imagined you using MEQ2 / SEQ everytime you said anything).