Chardok exploitation hurting the spirit of the game

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm late to the party but server rules still prevail. Training is a bannable offense and if you know there's a group there it becomes intentional.

If only. Got trained in City of Mist yesterday - the zone was empty except for me and 1 group down at the arena. This fool sees me up on ramparts, having already cleared 12 of the spawns and starts pulling ramparts mobs down to arena - by way of having them fall off the ledge near the center.

When I said "Hey please dont do that, they are pathing through mobs I have aggro on" their response was "You can only claim one spawn" and "You should find somewhere else to exp"

Sure enough, she pulled a mob down and then zoned, and it trained reavers and the entirety of the moat / leading back to ramparts.

I petitioned in game, nothing. Petitioned on forums, so far - nothing. We'll see if the server rules really do prevail.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If only. Got trained in City of Mist yesterday - the zone was empty except for me and 1 group down at the arena. This fool sees me up on ramparts, having already cleared 12 of the spawns and starts pulling ramparts mobs down to arena - by way of having them fall off the ledge near the center.

When I said "Hey please dont do that, they are pathing through mobs I have aggro on" their response was "You can only claim one spawn" and "You should find somewhere else to exp"

Sure enough, she pulled a mob down and then zoned, and it trained reavers and the entirety of the moat / leading back to ramparts.

I petitioned in game, nothing. Petitioned on forums, so far - nothing. We'll see if the server rules really do prevail.

Yeah only dispute I ever had on green was resolved satisfactorily for both parties so I can't speak much for the process but rules aren't rules if they're not enforced. CSR on here has limited ressources so not sure how much time they can afford on each conflict but if you're being trained and they tell you to go pound sand it sounds pretty clear cut to me. Just for item reimbursment they have a 3 months backlog so it might take a while before you hear back from them.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If only. Got trained in City of Mist yesterday - the zone was empty except for me and 1 group down at the arena. This fool sees me up on ramparts, having already cleared 12 of the spawns and starts pulling ramparts mobs down to arena - by way of having them fall off the ledge near the center.

When I said "Hey please dont do that, they are pathing through mobs I have aggro on" their response was "You can only claim one spawn" and "You should find somewhere else to exp"

Sure enough, she pulled a mob down and then zoned, and it trained reavers and the entirety of the moat / leading back to ramparts.

I petitioned in game, nothing. Petitioned on forums, so far - nothing. We'll see if the server rules really do prevail.

Camping rules become irrelevant if the person is causing a train on you.

Did you take footage of the situation? If not, a forum petition may not result in anything (unless staff can somehow see from logs, idk).

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Camping rules become irrelevant if the person is causing a train on you.

Did you take footage of the situation? If not, a forum petition may not result in anything (unless staff can somehow see from logs, idk).

I started recording after the player told me to "find a new place to level" and already pulled a mob past one I had aggro on.

the recording simply shows the train surprising me and killing me. well see if its worth anything

[sammoHung]

Actually saw someone else go through the exact same thing with the same player. Telling other people they can only claim one spawn, meanwhile training 2nd floor of CoM because they were pulling mobs down from ramparts.

City of Mist though seems like one of those zones that has always been an issue. Back when bard swarming there was a thing - the same bards probably gathered dozens of petitions against them before any action was actually taken.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually saw someone else go through the exact same thing with the same player. Telling other people they can only claim one spawn, meanwhile training 2nd floor of CoM because they were pulling mobs down from ramparts.

City of Mist though seems like one of those zones that has always been an issue. Back when bard swarming there was a thing - the same bards probably gathered dozens of petitions against them before any action was actually taken.

Missed it the first time but pretty sure COM is considered a dungeon and not an outdoor zone so the one spawn thing doesn't apply and you can actually hold a camp. Hence why the bard ban in COM even though it is outdoor.

And yeah it seems like they don't want to endlessly ban people due to the workload involved and the burden of proof required so they went for a broad rule. In this case it seems like the player was wrong every step of the way though.

[wuanahto]

so something was camped and because your party was bigger you thought you are right?

[Bombastic]

Originally Posted by wuanahto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so something was camped and because your party was bigger you thought you are right?

Nothing new. Post Sirken GMs created this mindset years ago when they let 30 people train 4 people. Post fraps in the petition section so they can laugh at you for trying to get their old friends punished.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Bombastic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing new. Post Sirken GMs created this mindset years ago when they let 30 people train 4 people. Post fraps in the petition section so they can laugh at you for trying to get their old friends punished.

Lifelock getting banned for training a group trying to XP during Chardok AOE kind of disproves that, and Sirken was the one swinging the hammer. (thread)

[Ciderpress]

Enchanters are typically not training anybody on purpose in chardok, it's just a byproduct of clearing ph's with dictate. It's also very rare for groups to actually move passed CE. The chanters are enjoying the game in the way they prefer, and so are the people dungeon crawling. The chanters should obviously be respectful of the group, but the group should also be respectful of the chanters. If you roll into chardok with a group and there are 5 chanters in zone farming, are they all supposed to stop just for your group? Who is imposing on who at that point?

Personally, what I find more annoying is GG pulling royals to the god damn zone entrance.