Chardok exploitation hurting the spirit of the game

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Over the years I have noticed that Free-to-Play games seem to attract some of the worst and most toxic people I've ever encountered in any online space. I've played WoW for over 20 years now. For the most part the community is the best part of the game. Very low toxicity outside of solo shuffles.

However a few months ago I tried Project Epoch, which was a F2P Emulator of Classic WoW and was overwhelmed with how toxic the community was. It's like they took every unemployed loser who is normally banned everywhere else on the internet and crammed them into one server.

I've noticed this with several other F2P games that will typically run on a 20 year old potato as well. It's like the social outcasts who can't hold down a job long enough to buy a modern gaming PC or pay for a subscription all flock to these types of environments.

Guy who was banned on his former account for toxicity, and temporarily banned on this current one for toxicity, accuses other people of being the toxic ones. News at 11.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guy who was banned on his former account for toxicity, and temporarily banned on this current one for toxicity, accuses other people of being the toxic ones. News at 11.

How many fights do you need to get into before you stop harassing people?

[Bisonzabi]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've noticed this with several other F2P games that will typically run on a 20 year old potato as well. It's like the social outcasts who can't hold down a job long enough to buy a modern gaming PC or pay for a subscription all flock to these types of environments.

This is the ultimate fate of any game that is older then an entire generation, the maladjusted and lunatics gain control of the asylum and the normies bleed off and go onto greener pasture.
All this on top of PC gaming being a completely different ecosphere now. $15 subscriptions are a very archaic model from a time when server hosting use to cost an arm and a leg. Back in the early 2000's, you had a handful of games at any given time installed onto your PC or were recently released that year that were worth it thus gaming was far more consolidated. The majority of the people you interacted in the game were usually people from your timezone and it was a rarity to interact with non-North Americans on forums. Most people who could play the latest stuff either came from family's with money to buy/build/upgrade new PCs or had the money to fork over for such expenses alone.
Then that all started to change by the mid-late 2000's as DRM services like Steam came along and slowly reshaped what PC gaming was with tens of thousands of games ranging over the course of 30+ years, cable modem speeds became faster from the blazing speeds of 1mbps in early 2000's to 100mbps by early 2010s, wireless internet became the standard, low end PC's no longer were solely used for AOL chatrooms and doing taxes but could play moderately older 3D PC games, the gateway to building PC's became far more simpler and then the internet exploded throughout the world changing the cultural landscape of interaction. Fast forward to today and most people in PC gaming are from all four corners of the world and consoles/PC/handhelds have merged into singular platform as platform exclusivity has practically vaporized with exception of a few like Nintendo.
Point is most MMO's are only surviving today due to the F2P models. Only anomalies like WoW have the ability to use a subscription model as the standard and even that game still gives a bit of leeway to play the game for free up to a specific point.

[BradZax]

TLDR

everyone here is sick

stop acting like any one of you are better

[Goregasmic]

I'm late to the party but server rules still prevail. Training is a bannable offense and if you know there's a group there it becomes intentional. You can claim a spawn but you don't own the right to dictate suicide your ph however you see fit.

And if you don't clear your spawn in a timely fashion you lose it. That's it. You can't monopolize a spot just by the virtue of being physically there. I saw someone go AFK for several hours at overseer so after like an hour and trying to reach out I started clearing. Ended up getting a mask and a cloak and he still wasn't back... sitting there doesn't count.

There's kind of a gentlemen agreement between farmers down there but in the end server rules are still server rules.

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm late to the party but server rules still prevail. Training is a bannable offense and if you know there's a group there it becomes intentional.

If only. Got trained in City of Mist yesterday - the zone was empty except for me and 1 group down at the arena. This fool sees me up on ramparts, having already cleared 12 of the spawns and starts pulling ramparts mobs down to arena - by way of having them fall off the ledge near the center.

When I said "Hey please dont do that, they are pathing through mobs I have aggro on" their response was "You can only claim one spawn" and "You should find somewhere else to exp"

Sure enough, she pulled a mob down and then zoned, and it trained reavers and the entirety of the moat / leading back to ramparts.

I petitioned in game, nothing. Petitioned on forums, so far - nothing. We'll see if the server rules really do prevail.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If only. Got trained in City of Mist yesterday - the zone was empty except for me and 1 group down at the arena. This fool sees me up on ramparts, having already cleared 12 of the spawns and starts pulling ramparts mobs down to arena - by way of having them fall off the ledge near the center.

When I said "Hey please dont do that, they are pathing through mobs I have aggro on" their response was "You can only claim one spawn" and "You should find somewhere else to exp"

Sure enough, she pulled a mob down and then zoned, and it trained reavers and the entirety of the moat / leading back to ramparts.

I petitioned in game, nothing. Petitioned on forums, so far - nothing. We'll see if the server rules really do prevail.

Yeah only dispute I ever had on green was resolved satisfactorily for both parties so I can't speak much for the process but rules aren't rules if they're not enforced. CSR on here has limited ressources so not sure how much time they can afford on each conflict but if you're being trained and they tell you to go pound sand it sounds pretty clear cut to me. Just for item reimbursment they have a 3 months backlog so it might take a while before you hear back from them.

[sammoHung]

Actually saw someone else go through the exact same thing with the same player. Telling other people they can only claim one spawn, meanwhile training 2nd floor of CoM because they were pulling mobs down from ramparts.

City of Mist though seems like one of those zones that has always been an issue. Back when bard swarming there was a thing - the same bards probably gathered dozens of petitions against them before any action was actually taken.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually saw someone else go through the exact same thing with the same player. Telling other people they can only claim one spawn, meanwhile training 2nd floor of CoM because they were pulling mobs down from ramparts.

City of Mist though seems like one of those zones that has always been an issue. Back when bard swarming there was a thing - the same bards probably gathered dozens of petitions against them before any action was actually taken.

Missed it the first time but pretty sure COM is considered a dungeon and not an outdoor zone so the one spawn thing doesn't apply and you can actually hold a camp. Hence why the bard ban in COM even though it is outdoor.

And yeah it seems like they don't want to endlessly ban people due to the workload involved and the burden of proof required so they went for a broad rule. In this case it seems like the player was wrong every step of the way though.

[wuanahto]

so something was camped and because your party was bigger you thought you are right?