Best Trio That Doesn't Use Enchanter

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Rimitto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're contradicting yourself with your argument... you say root doesn't matter but somehow FD "opens things up"? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
You're just trading one Semantics for the other now.
What about harmony? damage shields? secondary (albeit shitty) healing? pretty sure rangers get something called wolf form too, as well as invisibility.

But no, the only thing you care about is how to make monk work.
Because FD is your god. Don't mind that the entire party will be stuck trying to get into a place and be sitting there for 10 minutes waiting for either regen or to take out a monster that is undead and see's through your invis.
The party setup I stated deals with that easily, and it's a very common issue in many areas.

you keep saying "best" but what is best? Monk doesn't fit anywhere in the "best" category. I know you love FD but monk isnt' the best tank, It's not the best puller, it's not even the best DPS. Monk is a utility class. It's an offtank puller. The only reason it's an offtank puller is because of it's FD.

take away it's FD and what does it actually do better than any other class? Nothing.
You say it's the best DPS, I say necro can charm undead, I say zerk-dancing a warrior is far superior dmg, I say aside from very specific classes like cleric, that most of the classes in the game can out damage an inflated monk's dps ego.

A level 20 monk and a level 20 paladin fighting things in unrest. That paladin is gonna have ghoulbane, and you're arguing that the monk is going to be best.

a level 30 monk and a level 30 ranger fighting in highkeep basement. The ranger is gonna have harmony, and you're arguing that the monk is going to be the best.

a level 40 monk and a level 40 warrior fighting in city of mist. The warrior is going to be geared at this point, and you're arguing that the monk is going to be the best.


You need to learn about roles and what they exist for. Or at least play the game once in your life.



I actually have played ranger, and I know their capabilities and incapability. I've also played paladin and warrior so I know how to tank pretty well, as well as what each class is capable of. Personally I found monks to be the worst tanks that think they're the best. I can also attest to this as a cleric that has had to deal with ALL of them, including bards that think they're also tanks. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In ranking order, best to worst:
Warriors
Shadowknights
Rangers
Paladins
Bards*
Monks

This is the listing order of best to worst tanks I've experienced in P99.
A proper warrior is fields and realities better as a tank than the best shadowknight.
A good shadowknight is fields and realities better than the best ranger.
A good ranger is about the same as a mediocre or bad warrior/shadowknight.
A good paladin is about the same as a decent ranger.
A good bard is about the same as a mediocre ranger or paladin.
A good monk is about as good as a bad ranger or mediocre bard.

I earnestly don't know how hard you'd have to twink a monk to think they are "the best tanks ever" but, if you put even an ounce of effort into a warrior or shadowknight instead, the difference wouldn't even be laughable.

all these words and you could have just typed "im bad at eq"

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all these words and you could have just typed "im bad at eq"

Yeah once he mentioned those comments at the end about Bards and Monks it's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about

[grims]

Warrior/ monk, shaman and necro imo.

Warrior or monk has great dps / very tanky. Shaman for haste, slow, regen and heal. Necro can help heal both maximizing heal ticks, fd split, interupt spells and mes with extra pet damage

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Rimitto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I smoke bath salts.

Sorry … that’s the only thing I took away from your post.

[Duik]

Ranger 3rd best tank. Monk shit dps. Paly worse tank than ranger.
I wanna see (the hilarious video of) rimitto and dsm grouping.

[Troxx]

I didn’t think it could be possible, but this joker makes DSM look like a Rhodes Scholar.

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ranger 3rd best tank. Monk shit dps. Paly worse tank than ranger.
I wanna see (the hilarious video of) rimitto and dsm grouping.

Ranger is a better tank than Paladin.
Maybe you've never had the honor of healing a ranger, healing a paladin.
I can tell you this from my experiences, a properly geared ranger can hold much better than a properly geared paladin.

I've had several parties where the ranger would have to tank simply because we didn't have a proper warrior or shadowknight, The ranger bleeds, but their HP holds and they can pull shenanigans if things go south.

Paladins NEVER pull shenanigans when things go south, and when they start to bleed, the hemorrhage like an anemic walrus after a shark attack. When paladins start to drop, there's usually very little I can do to save them other than to try a quick heal, followed by a stun, followed by another quick heal, and hope that's enough to get a CH off or some other bigger heal. They drain my mana reserves like it's candy and think they're the best tanks in the world.

Rangers bleed normally. I can warn my party when rangers tank when I get lom, with paladins, it's death all at once.
Warriors and Shadowknights are obviously the best tanks. There's no comparison.

Monks bleed HARD by comparison to the other 3. Bards have a unique * by their name because they have the capability of psuedo-tanking up to, what, 25 mobs at once? They have capabilities that exceed monk and ranger, but they're also unique in their playstyle and how they actually "tank", aka holding aggro.

On that note of holding aggro, paladin has 2 ways to really hold aggro, that of root and blind.

Ranger often has the higher dps, and gets DPS aggro, but they also have root as well. In addition they have a few spells that give higher/lower levels of aggro like flame lick*(supposedly the aggro on this was reduced or removed????) and harmony.

Maybe you've never played the healer role, but there's a clear difference for me when I'm partying with a warrior, a ranger, a monk, or a paladin.

all you guys are doing is insulting now. makes me think you don't actually play the game. haven't heard one testimonial from any of you. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@duik @troxx @toxigen @cd288
Are you all these "bots" you keep clamoring on about? reply with insults if you're a bot.

[Toxigen]

what the fuck did i just read?

[Vexenu]

Not sure what kind of retarded and/or massively undergeared Paladins you've been grouping with, but the class, properly played, is in no way inferior to Rangers as a tank.

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure what kind of retarded and/or massively undergeared Paladins you've been grouping with, but the class, properly played, is in no way inferior to Rangers as a tank.

I've yet to see what a "properly played" paladin looks like that is somehow this mythical amazing, better than warrior or shadowknight, tank.

They mostly bleed from my experience. Rangers bleed slightly less.