Want to Start a Rogue and Just want to Make Sure I Understand a Couple Things

[Duik]

YES!
I'VE.
BEEN.
ROASTED.
BY.
DSM.
LIFE.
GOAL.
ACHIEVED.

[CptnCanuck]

@OP, Gnome is a great choice for a Rogue. They get to wall hack and when fighting Giants you get to take out their achilles heel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If I was to make a rogue down the road it would be between a Gnome and Halfling strictly for RP purposes.

As for starting stats, this can cause quite the debate as we can see. There is a lot of great information in the forums but at times I have found that it doesn't always pertain to my situation as I am not raider and have access to BiS gear and the best buffs all of the time.

My question to you would be are you going to be racing to 60 and raiding all the time or is it going to be a slow process to reach 60 and your goal is just to group and do dungeons? I can't comment on the first one as I don't really raid but If it is the later I would recommend putting your starting points in Str. That is where I think you would see the best gains for that style of play as it could take you a very long time before you are concerned about maxxing out str and focusing on other stats.

Currently I have been playing in a static 6 man group (War, Clr, Shm(me), Mag, Rog, Enc) ranging form lvl52 to 57 twice a week doing dungeons. Been having a blast but will still be a bit of time before we are all lvl60. Our Rogue in the group is a Gnome and is always looking for Str buffs, not really concerned about HP. In terms of playing not once has the Rogue's health ever come into play in terms of us wishing he had an extra 50-100 hp of health. Really the only time for us when we needed to focus some healing on the Rogue has been when a mob rampages but between myself and the cleric it is fine. The times when the rogue has died, an extra 100+ hp wouldn't have mattered as it was either a really bad pull, got trained or some crazy pathing issue and usually it is a wipe for the rogue and warrior and we are trying to gate out as many as we can so we can get a quicker reset.

[enjchanter]

Imagine meleeing a blue con mob for 39 dmg

[Duik]

OP is prolly lvl 60 by now. Has moved on to next character and will not ask for any advice ever again.
Sorting through this shit to gleen an insight would be a fucking nightmare.

Here's an idea.
Say your piece, just the once. Maybe, just cuz no one is perfect an adendum. Then just stop.
Just for a newbies sanity if nothing else.
Repeating, adnauseum the same fucking advice, then arguing with all and sundry just mudies the water.

In before,
"Im just offering a full answer and this is a discussion forum, afraid of discussion are you" comment from someone.
Setting page count records in every thread is not a worthy goal.

Pick wisdom, level with competent friendly and roleplay groupies and id fucking bet youd be happy as a troll shaman is its own putresence, canibalizing it's own foot for mana.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP is prolly lvl 60 by now. Has moved on to next character and will not ask for any advice ever again.
Sorting through this shit to gleen an insight would be a fucking nightmare.

Here's an idea.
Say your piece, just the once. Maybe, just cuz no one is perfect an adendum. Then just stop.
Just for a newbies sanity if nothing else.
Repeating, adnauseum the same fucking advice, then arguing with all and sundry just mudies the water.

In before,
"Im just offering a full answer and this is a discussion forum, afraid of discussion are you" comment from someone.
Setting page count records in every thread is not a worthy goal.

Pick wisdom, level with competent friendly and roleplay groupies and id fucking bet youd be happy as a troll shaman is its own putresence, canibalizing it's own foot for mana.

It's interesting that nobody else needs to follow the "say your piece once" rule. You have the "rules for thee but not for me" mentality. Why aren't you saying this to everybody else who has been rehashing their argument? Clearly you must notice the multiple posts from Crede, Foritor, etc. who are also doing this.

Singling me out shows that you don't actually care about the "say your piece once" rule, you just want to try and gain the upper hand in a non-standard way, because you cannot back up your point properly.

We are having a discussion, and I am sorry this offends you. It is not my problem that you do not understand the purpose of a forum.

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to argue with everyone, instead of making your point and moving on. We're you raised by a single mother? Most males that don't have a father role model will grow up acting like their mothers and have to always get the last word in. Ohh and they're always right. Sound like mom?

Same thing I said to Duik. If you actually cared about the "make your point and move on" idea, you wouldn't be singling me out. Trying to say I am forcing people to respond to me with their same point over and over again is silly. You want me specifically to post once and move on, but you are perfectly fine with other people doing the same thing you are accusing me of.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's interesting that nobody else needs to follow the "say your piece once" rule. You have the "rules for thee but not for me" mentality. Why aren't you saying this to everybody else who has been rehashing their argument? Clearly you must notice the multiple posts from Crede, Foritor, etc. who are also doing this.

You have more posts in this thread than the next three combined:
DeathsSilkyMist 45
Crede 22
Toxigen 13
fortior 8

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have more posts in this thread than the next three combined:
DeathsSilkyMist 45
Crede 22
Toxigen 13
fortior 8

I am not sure what your point is. I am having discussions with multiple people at the same time. The other posters are mostly responding to me and not other people. So of course they have less posts individually. You should aggregate the data of all the posters responding to me, and you will see it evens out. If three people reply to me 15 times, I would have 45 posts if I responded to each of those replies. The post count would look like: DSM - 45, Poster A - 15, Poster B - 15, Poster C - 15.

Again, this is a forum, and on a forum people have discussions. I did not force multiple people to have a conversation with me. I do not mind having a discussion with multiple people at the same time, but it is a poor attempt at a gotcha to try and use post count in this kind of scenario.

[Duik]

Never mentioned anyone in particular knobend. DSM
That was just generic advice, if we actually wanna help someone, we wouldnt permanently piss in the font of knowledge with repeated similar and defensive comments. Sure, defend your point, that is what we do. But dont confuse defending your point with Needing To Win.

Str, sta at creation, is not really as important as this convoluted shitstorm makes it out to be.
The wisest necro prolly had fun. Maybe not smashing fastest to 60 record. But fucking hilarious.

Tell OP sta is, in YOUR opinion the best option, based on A+B+C. Adendum the shit outa it if you forgot an important point.
But lets not repeatedly shit in our advice pool. This goes for us all. I just now repeated myself about this. See, it does not help!
Im off to melt my own face for mana.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never mentioned anyone in particular knobend. DSM
That was just generic advice, if we actually wanna help someone, we wouldnt permanently piss in the font of knowledge with repeated similar and defensive comments. Sure, defend your point, that is what we do. But dont confuse defending your point with Needing To Win.

Str, sta at creation, is not really as important as this convoluted shitstorm makes it out to be.
The wisest necro prolly had fun. Maybe not smashing fastest to 60 record. But fucking hilarious.

Tell OP sta is, in YOUR opinion the best option, based on A+B+C. Adendum the shit outa it if you forgot an important point.
But lets not repeatedly shit in our advice pool. This goes for us all. I just now repeated myself about this. See, it does not help!
Im off to melt my own face for mana.

I am not confusing defending my point with needing to win. It is your opinion I am trying to win, but you don't have any evidence to back that up. You could say the same thing about Crede, and it would have equal merit. You are singling me out specifically, and it is silly to claim otherwise. The post history is clear.

The reason why this debate is still going is because the people who are claiming STR is the better starting stat are being logically inconsistent with their claims.

1. The first claim is STR is going to give some tangible benefit to OP if they select it over STA.
2. The second claim is fashion is superior to stats. This implies the STR is not going to give a tangible benefit to OP. That is why you can pick whichever race you want, regardless of their starting stats.

These two claims are at odds, and nobody can explain how they can both be true. If posters think STR will tangibly help, they would suggest that OP picks Barbarian. There is no rule on this forum that stipulates that you cannot suggest a different race than what OP is thinking about, even if you don't expect OP to agree with you. If you were logically consistent with your opinion about STR, you wouldn't have a problem with discussing the merits of Barbarian over Gnome.

My claims have no inconsistencies.

1. STR is easier to cap with gear and buffs than STA.
2. Rogues are group dependent, so you have a higher probability of gaining buffs.
3. STA is harder to cap. Putting your starting stats there is giving you the benefit for more play hours.
4. Capped stats give you no bonus.

I am not sure why an inconsistent set of claims should take priority over a consistent set of claims. If people can properly explain why their claims are not inconsistent, that would be great!

[Ripqozko]

DSM threads are all teh same, bloated nonsense where he repeats a point until he feels like he won. Kittens really went downhill inviting him.