FSI is overrated garb

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I think a lot of people who "bash" FSI don't have level 60 characters, or if they do they have some regret about their race.

As I keep saying over and over, FSI is best for 60 Shamans with Torpor. On the tanking side, FSI is better than Regeneration when you are in a group/raid, since Regeneration often times isn't doing much due to you having a healer.

For Shamans without Torpor, or soloing tanks, Regeneration is better.

This advice is misleading. FSI is best for "Soloing" 60 Shamans with Torpor, which I don't think anyone is trying to dispute.

For duos/trios/groups/raids FSI is basically useless on a shaman. The extra regen will prove more useful than an ultra rare situation where FSI might come in handy with a clutch slow in a group situation. And the extra regen means more mana which is what is needed in these scenarios.

This is why the shaman racial debate is so situational. You cannot say one race is best for all situations vs something like an iksar monk.

[Allishia]

I can confirm dark elf is best race for war. /nod

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This advice is misleading. FSI is best for "Soloing" 60 Shamans with Torpor, which I don't think anyone is trying to dispute.

For duos/trios/groups/raids FSI is basically useless on a shaman. The extra regen will prove more useful than an ultra rare situation where FSI might come in handy with a clutch slow in a group situation. And the extra regen means more mana which is what is needed in these scenarios.

This is why the shaman racial debate is so situational. You cannot say one race is best for all situations vs something like an iksar monk.

It isn't misleading. Regeneration is typically a very small bonus in groups because you have a healer. If you want to argue a non-standard duo like a Warrior/Rogue, then sure, Regeneration would still be better. But I think it is pretty safe to assume most people are going to be making somewhat "normal" groups, which will have a healer. Even when Shaman is the healer, you are saving WAY more HP (mana) by simply having a tank, which means you aren't taking the damage yourself, and you don't need to spend mana on DPS spells.

You can easily say one racial is the best, because it fits what most players do. Most Shamans like to solo with their Shamans, because Shamans have great solo capability. It is the rare case that Shamans mostly group/raid. This means the best racial for Shamans is the one best suited for soloing.

It isn't a very good argument to say "nothing can ever be the best, because there is always one fringe case where it isn't".

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't misleading. Regeneration is typically a very small bonus in groups because you have a healer. If you want to argue a non-standard duo like a Warrior/Rogue, then sure, Regeneration would still be better. But I think it is pretty safe to assume most people are going to be making somewhat "normal" groups, which will have a healer. Even when Shaman is the healer, you are saving WAY more HP (mana) by simply having a tank, which means you aren't taking the damage yourself, and you don't need to spend mana on DPS spells.

You can easily say one racial is the best, because it fits what most players do. Most Shamans like to solo with their Shamans, because Shamans have great solo capability. It is the rare case that Shamans mostly group/raid. This means the best racial for Shamans is the one best suited for soloing.

It isn't a very good argument to say "nothing can ever be the best, because there is always one fringe case where it isn't".

This is a subjective statement, unless you have data to prove otherwise. There are plenty of shamans at 60 who mostly duo/trio/group/raid. Shamans shine the most in duo's/trios where you can really stretch the limits, and these are most of the shamans I know. If you want to really be a solo god, play an Enchanter. I think you just specifically like to spend more time soloing at 60, but shouldn't be applied to shaman play as a whole.

You’re also arguing that the min max for shamans is soloing which by design is incorrect. Shamans are a support class.

[Encroaching Death]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I think a lot of people who "bash" FSI

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[Jimjam]

Oh yeah, i imagine FSI would be particularly useful in HoT / Wexit where you may have 2 or 3 60 + mobs, a bunch of fatigued DPS players overeager to start fighting but you have to move the mobs around to different places depending on their AoE / flee behaviours.

I've tanked them a lot without FSI and you're going through so many high level bashers per session that it is noticable.

[Jimjam]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I think the irony is that on a tank with regen, FSI is better because they can tackle slightly harder xp mobs, whereas on a tank with FSI regen is better as FSI is less needed on weaker mobs

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I think the irony is that on a tank with regen, FSI is better because they can tackle slightly harder xp mobs, whereas on a tank with FSI regen is better as FSI is less needed on weaker mobs

Yeah that is basically what I am saying. When you are soloing for XP to get to level 60, Regeneration is better than FSI because you are typically killing things 10+ levels below you (such as your LDC example). You want more kills per hour, and Regeneration enables that. Once you are in a group scenario (tackling harder XP mobs), then FSI is better because you already have a healer enabling your group to kill a ton of stuff per hour.

[Toxigen]

jesus fucking christ. here we go again

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

jesus fucking christ. here we go again

I know. It's weird that people think Enchanters/Shamans aren't played by people who like to solo with them.

And Ripqozko is still just randomly counting.