Solo Barbarian Shaman Stat Allocation

[loramin]

Truly the mark of a strong argument is that you can't be arsed to write a few sentences explaining it.

I mean, in the last couple posts you wrote eight sentences: you truly can't explain why Mana > HP for leveling in eight sentences? You can't even give a hint?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truly the mark of a strong argument is that you can't be arsed to write a few sentences explaining it.

I did. You didn't read it. Why should I assume you will read it now? You couldn't even read the edit tab on Magelo when checking to see if two Magelos were made by different people.

[loramin]

We're up to eleven sentences. So instead of telling me I can't make an argument because you made one on page 18 and now no one else can (because now we're on page 19, and 18 was the cut-off?) ... you couldn't have simply explained your point of view in eleven sentences?

Does it truly take more than eleven sentences to even suggest the logic of why Mana would be better than HP for leveling?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're up to eleven sentences. So instead of telling me I can't make an argument because you made one on page 18 and now no one else can (because now we're on page 19, and 18 was the cut-off?) ... you couldn't have simply explained your point of view in eleven sentences?

Does it truly take more than eleven sentences to even suggest the logic of why Mana would be better than HP for leveling?

Just go back and read the thread, post the quotes here, and respond. That will show you are able to read, and we can have a conversation again. I get tired of posting information multiple times that you don't read.

[PatChapp]

Endgame the only difference is stun immunity anyway. Barb shaman do fine

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anybody can read this thread and find all the information they could possibly want

Absolutely! And that's why I gave up trying to argue several pages ago, when the topic changed: everyone was just talking past each other, so I figured there was no point in continuing ... but I was ok with that, because anyone with a brain could still read and follow my arguments up to that point.

But then you felt the need to resurrect your argument on page 18, so now (thanks to you) everyone gets one last chance to re-read one of my central points ... and see your inability to address it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Absolutely! And that's why I gave up trying to argue several pages ago, when the topic changed: everyone was just talking past each other, but that was ok because anyone with a brain could still read and follow my arguments up to that point.

But then you felt the need to resurrect the argument on page 18, so now (thanks to you) everyone gets one last chance to re-read one of my central points, and see your inability to address it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People could have read your points earlier in the thread. Why do you care that you got to copy/paste your incorrect idea that has already been disproven at the end of this thread?

I didn't "resurrect" the argument. This thread was still near the top of the first page. I thought of some useful information, and posted it to help other people out.

You decided to attack me instead of have a discussion in response to that. You are the one being aggressive here, but whenever someone points it out or fights back you cry "why are you insulting me?" It's just silly. The post history is there lol, it isn't like people cannot go back and look.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People could have read your points earlier in the thread. Why do you care that you got to copy/paste your incorrect idea that has already been disproven at the end of this thread?

I didn't "resurrect" the argument. This thread was still near the top of the first page. I thought of some useful information, and posted it to help other people out.

You decided to attack me instead of have a discussion in response to that. You are the one being aggressive here, but whenever someone points it out or fights back you cry "why are you insulting me?" It's just silly. The post history is there lol, it isn't like people cannot go back and look.

You keep talking about people reading for themselves, and yet when they look at the last few pages what will they see? They'll see me making a dispassionate argument, backed up with a reasonable explanation based on my experience playing a Shaman.

They'll also see you not responding with any kind of logic or evidence, but calling me a spoiled child and wasting who knows how many (I've lost count?) sentences ... to say that you can't be bothered to write a few sentences (with logic or evidence).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep talking about people reading for themselves, and yet when they look at the last few pages what will they see? They'll see me making a dispassionate argument, backed up with a reasonable explanation based on my experience playing a Shaman.

I'm also confident they'll see you not responding with any kind of logic or evidence, but calling me a spoiled child and wasting who knows how many (I've lost count?) sentences ... to say that you can't be bothered to write a few sentences (with logic or evidence).

Who was it who posted FTFY right after my post (and thus started this whole discussion)? Not sure how that is "logical and dispassionate". It's just snarky and trolly, without any "logic" to explain why you disagree.

You have a very delusional view of yourself if you aren't trolling.

Again, I simply posted some information that was helpful, and you responded with trolling.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just not true. Let's say you have a character that starts out brand new, with no gear. From levels 25-55 you can kill guards. That typically averages out to 200pp per hour. If you do that for 100 hours you have 20000 self made PP while leveling. This is a very casual number too, this isn't hard core farming.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...wBarbShamCheap This is an example of a character that is basically capped on STA with cheap gear. You could get all of that gear with 20k or less. I am not saying this is absolutely ideal gear, but it's cheap, and a lot of people just buy what they can as they go along. You have yet to provide a Magelo lol, so you clearly don't actually have any evidence for this. You could easily get this gear by level 40ish. This is with 25 points into WIS.

Have you ever heard of a "straw man argument"? You're making one without even realizing it.

Yes, if you only go for Stamina and nothing else you could hit the Stamina cap! Straw man achieved! But it's a straw man because it only works IF you buy a Feathered Leggings, Rune Crafter's Helm, Arctic Wyvern gear, etc. ... instead of getting a Ikky BP/Fungi/Vindi VP, a JBB, an instant-click refresh item, buff clickies, resists, wisdom, AC, etc. ... ie. if you don't get the much-more-useful gear options.

Real Shaman don't make it a goal to hit the Stamina cap while ignoring much more useful gear! So if you want to prove something, make a well-geared Shaman who hits the cap: no straw men.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not have primal essence on. I don't have a Hammer of the Dragonborn, and I said so lol. You can hit max buff slots before 60 without Primal Essence and without Avatar. You don't know what you are talking about.

You said that in a second post after the first, so I didn't see it. But it still doesn't change the fact that normal Shaman, farming gear, aren't burning emeralds on Avatar or using Stamina-enhancing (or any other) consumables. When you're farming you're trying to make money, not waste it to increase your (mostly meaningless) max stats.

And, if you're not using that stuff ... you're not needing to hit the buff cap. Whatever your 15th (or even 13th or 14th) buff is, it's not doing much. If you really want to discuss it, post all 15 self-cast, non-consumable (and non-PE hammer) buffs you're casting, so we can discuss what the oh-so-valuable 15th buff is actually doing for you.

BTW, these next two quotes particularly amused me, because they're sort of DeathsSilkyMist arguing with himself:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have video proof of how a Shaman would fight a WW Dragon. Your weird theory crafting to try and be right is just nonsense. Come back with some video proof of your +25 STA saving you[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DeathsSilkyMist: "+25 Wisdom has so much impact that you can see it in a single 15+ minute long fight (where you Torpor/Cannabalize, ie. exchange HP and Mana, constantly)."

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is simple. People are willing to reduce their maximum HP by 35 to equip a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring. Doing so does not sudden make them way easier to kill. You can sacrifice max HP and not notice it. It's the same thing with the +25 STA. It will not give you a noticeable increase in survivability. Like the +25 WIS, it has a very low, very rare chance to save you.

Also DeathsSilkyMist: "stats don't matter" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, I agree with everyone else in this thread: THIS SHIT DOESN'T MATTER! In any given fight (but especially in one with 15+ minutes of Torporing and Cannabilizing) you will not see a difference from +25 Stamina or +25 Wisdom.

But, if we're theorycrafting about the aggregate impact +25 Wis/Sta will have, over the course of every fight the Shaman is in their entire life ... the HP from the Stamina is going to save their life more often than the Mana from Wisdom.


And then just one more DeathsSilkyMist vs. DeathsSilkyMist

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I simply posted some information that was helpful, and you responded with trolling.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've been proven wrong on all your points, and you have no evidence to provide. Please stop spreading bad information just because you are being stubborn.

Yup, that's you: all helpful info, no trolling.

(But, last I checked, normal/sane people can disagree about something, and discuss it rationally, without resorting to insults the moments their feelings got hurt because they started losing said rational discussion.)

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is like watching shamans attrition soloing. Slow, steady, consistent but mainly slow.

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its 2022 and they're debating shit that literally does not matter at all, ever, not in 1 million cliff golems worth of fighting

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Winning's winning man. It does matter, no matter how big or small.

We all know how this game works, so all we have left is to debate the finer points.

I appreciate the defense Crede, but honestly, I think the others are right: at this point, there are no "winners" in this thread. Both DeathsSilkyMist and I are losers for participating this long [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But, I'm autistic enough to keep trying to disprove DeathsSilkyMist's falsehoods, so ... let's continue the loser-ness!