Real talk: Blue is a beta cess pool

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly don't know where people got the idea Green wouldn't be merged into Blue. Until the developers say otherwise, that is the current plan.

If they do change the plan, we won't know about it until Green 1.0 is almost finished. The developers gain nothing from announcing the final plans early, because it may affect players decisions to roll new characters on Green 1.0.

The confusion stems from the following Rogean quote:

Server Merge - The staff has had considerable discussion internally regarding the merging of Green into Blue at the end of the timeline. We've heard your concerns. At this time, we haven't made a final decision, but we have also decided that we will leave the door open. A lot can change in 3 years, and we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers in the future.

Had this statement not been made people would all safely assume that the coming merge is inevitable and still the plan. However, because this statement was made now there is reasonable doubt about what's actually going to happen. The above quote was made on 10/21/2019 and as far as I know nothing has been said about it since.

[Grimlust666]

OP comes across as a super jerk and obvious troll. I'd respect the arguments more if they weren't directed with vitriol and malice. It's a game after all... No need to be mad.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The confusion stems from the following Rogean quote:

Server Merge - The staff has had considerable discussion internally regarding the merging of Green into Blue at the end of the timeline. We've heard your concerns. At this time, we haven't made a final decision, but we have also decided that we will leave the door open. A lot can change in 3 years, and we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers in the future.

Had this statement not been made people would all safely assume that the coming merge is inevitable and still the plan. However, because this statement was made now there is reasonable doubt about what's actually going to happen. The above quote was made on 10/21/2019 and as far as I know nothing has been said about it since.

Ah that one. Thanks for the quote! I didn't take that quote seriously at all. The quote doesn't actually say anything. It just says "we can do what we want with our server", which has always been true, even before Green came out.

Of course they will leave the door open to possibilities until the time comes, as they cannot see the future. If there were 4000+ people consistently playing in 2024, then opening a new server could make sense.

But unless the player count significantly changes in the next year or two, I doubt they will change the original plan. Having 3 servers wouldn't make sense with the current numbers.

EDIT: Teal is proof that the developers are not keen on having 3 servers up. If they were, they would have not closed it, or re-opened it at some point.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The confusion stems from the following Rogean quote:


Had this statement not been made people would all safely assume that the coming merge is inevitable and still the plan.

Only a moron woudld "safely" assume that. You may be a moron, but "all" are not.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, because this statement was made now there is reasonable doubt about what's actually going to happen. The above quote was made on 10/21/2019 and as far as I know nothing has been said about it since.

What do you mean by *now* there is reasonable doubt? rogean said it at the very beginning of the green servers release.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they do change the plan, .

link me the plan.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

link me the plan.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=333743

Green Lifetime
The green server will, at a time yet to be decided, eventually merge into blue and start over again. This merge will not happen until at least 6 months after the last patch in velious (No earlier than January 2023).

That is what they posted when they announced Green. I honestly doubt that plan has changed. The quote PlsNoBan posted doesn't provide any evidence to suggest otherwise. It simply says "we can do what we want with our server", which is always true. I am sure they will consider other options if the server populations are extremely high on both servers in 2024, and this consideration would occur even if they never posted that quote PlsNoBan mentioned. However, based on the current numbers we are seeing, I don't see any need to change the original plan. There just aren't enough players right now for 3 servers to work.

[Allishia]

I'm excited for the merge, curious how the raid scene will work, if new guilds will form or merge or if 3-4 guilds will all compete. Should be fun either way /nod

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you mean by *now* there is reasonable doubt? rogean said it at the very beginning of the green servers release.

The whole "recycle server" idea was pitched by staff long before Green ever came to fruition and it was pitched as a server that would start fresh at classic and progress to end of the standard P99 timeline then merge with blue and restart fresh again. It was then reiterated around launch time by Nilbog on 9/13/2019:

The green server will, at a time yet to be decided, eventually merge into blue and start over again. This merge will not happen until at least 6 months after the last patch in velious (No earlier than January 2023)

A month later 10/21/2019 Rogean said the previously mentioned quote:

Server Merge - The staff has had considerable discussion internally regarding the merging of Green into Blue at the end of the timeline. We've heard your concerns. At this time, we haven't made a final decision, but we have also decided that we will leave the door open. A lot can change in 3 years, and we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers in the future.

The important part being "we may chose to leave Green running independently as we open additional servers". This was the first time the idea of leaving green running and starting additional servers was mentioned since the first mention of "Recycle99" like a year+? before green launched. My hunch is that Rogean said this due to the massive influx of people playing green at launch (thus creating the Teal server as temporary overflow) and he might have been thinking the influx of players would sustain blue/green + another recycle server. However as of right now I think most people would agree that there isn't enough of a sustained playerbase here to support 3 healthy servers. P99 is at it's best when the avg player count is somewhere between 800 and 1400 or so. As it stands with the size of the community here 3 servers would result in sub 500 players per server which is bad.

There very likely will be a significant bump in players when/if green 2.0 or whatever they call the new server launches but as everyone knows that number tends to drop pretty aggressively once the initial hype dies off. I've been an on again off again P99 player since early 2010 and from my experience the size of the playerbase here hasn't changed significantly in 10+ years. It ebbs and flows slightly but mostly hovers in the neighborhood of 1000-1500 online at peak times and I don't see any reason why that would change. That being the case I can't see 3 servers being a good idea unless somehow the population increases by a good amount.

[Alarria]

I hope they merge Green with Blue. More people to play with! Gear I have on Green, or on blue I can use between my characters! Sounds like a good idea

[cd288]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My hunch is that Rogean said this due to the massive influx of people playing green at launch (thus creating the Teal server as temporary overflow) and he might have been thinking the influx of players would sustain blue/green + another recycle server. However as of right now I think most people would agree that there isn't enough of a sustained playerbase here to support 3 healthy servers. P99 is at it's best when the avg player count is somewhere between 800 and 1400 or so. As it stands with the size of the community here 3 servers would result in sub 500 players per server which is bad.

This is likely what prompted it if I had to bet. We simply don’t have the population for three servers now.

Also wouldn’t be surprised if they made that statement just to get people to stop DMing them whining about it.