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[Byue]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

words are violence, I was being harassed and offended online with no way to get away

How i that a liberal theme song?
It seems the more insults we get, and we get a lot since to debate from the height of a unfinished high school diploma requires ton of fallacies, the more we post yet we say one thing that you take badly and start crying immediately.

You're a little wuss with nothing to say.
You brought up Shaver and ended up realizing nobody is going to have your back here because

he was playing with fucking guns.
Cops show up, he did not comply.
He was very intoxicated.

And these are the arguments you used to destroy Floyd because you know, you're not racist you just want the public to talk about those poor white people.
Those poor white people who got cops called on them because they were playing with guns.

What did the police show up for during Floyd's arrest and subsequent death?
Illegal cigarettes?

Surprisingly enough, none of the officers kneeled on Shaver's neck either.
Not for 8 minutes thirty seven seconds nor for once second.

Story so similar, you had to bring it up.
Why did you end up changing topic?

Oh yes, we discussed about this already.
You lack integrity.

How does it feel to be a mainstream right wing media mouthpiece on a forum telling libs to stop listening to the media?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How i that a liberal theme song?
It seems the more insults we get, and we get a lot since to debate from the height of a unfinished high school diploma requires ton of fallacies, the more we post yet we say one thing that you take badly and start crying immediately.

You're a little wuss with nothing to say.
You brought up Shaver and ended up realizing nobody is going to have your back here because

he was playing with fucking guns.
Cops show up, he did not comply.
He was very intoxicated.

And these are the arguments you used to destroy Floyd because you know, you're not racist you just want the public to talk about those poor white people.
Those poor white people who got cops called on them because they were playing with guns.

What did the police show up for during Floyd's arrest and subsequent death?
Illegal cigarettes?

Surprisingly enough, none of the officers kneeled on Shaver's neck either.
Not for 8 minutes thirty seven seconds nor for once second.

Story so similar, you had to bring it up.
Why did you end up changing topic?

Oh yes, we discussed about this already.
You lack integrity.

How does it feel to be a mainstream right wing media mouthpiece on a forum telling libs to stop listening to the media?

kinda tired of going back and forth with you

get it all out if it makes you feel better

[Byue]

We will be done when we will be done, you are not the boss of me.

I may not be an American
But at least I know I'm free!

I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free.

[Patriam1066]

I bought my daughter a Mini Cooper when she turned 16. True story

[unsunghero]

BTW, to demonstrate that I have the same goal but the exact opposite idea about how to get it, I think we need MORE resources for better training of police

I'm using the word resources because I'm not going to be so black and white minded to claim that just throwing them more money is some kind of miracle cure. Resources can mean attention, supervision, training, auditing, all sorts of non-monetary measures

I think the issues come from a number of reasons including:

People that should not be police officers are being hired as police officers. This is an issue with whoever is doing the hiring

People that should be police officers not being properly trained on how to be an officer that does not unjustifiably use lethal force. This is an issue with whoever trained that particular officer

Some cops may have some secret deep-seeded racism. Once again, if it is not spotted, then this is an issue with the hiring process, or monitoring of police practices

MORE resources, goes towards fixing all these things

[Danth]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MORE resources, goes towards fixing all these things

Maybe, maybe not. Some of it wouldn't take so much as a dollar to change--got to change the mindset.

--Stop discriminating against hiring people who are too smart (this is true, many departments actually do this).
--Stop preferentially hiring people based on military experience. Being a good soldier does not necessarily translate to being a good LEO. Police are not an Occupying Army, and the public is not the Enemy.
--Reduce equipment to what's ordinary for the area. Police should not be heavily-armed commandos. Ordinary beat cops do not need military-style rifles in their cars and certainly do not need to be carrying ammunition or implements for use against their own citizenry, which would be outlawed on the field of battle.
--Walk back "officer safety" to where it was thirty years ago, and go back to needing actual justification to shoot beyond, "He scared me or might've been maybe reaching for something for a second."

Most of all: Accept it took us decades to get to this point, and chances are it'll take many years to fix it too. Even once fixed, public trust has eroded enough that it'll take years to recover. This is NOT going to go away overnight. This is going to be the largest stumbling block prohibiting real change because the public expects instant results and when that doesn't materialize tends to lose interest in favor of the next outrage-du-jour.

Danth

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe, maybe not. Some of it wouldn't take so much as a dollar to change--got to change the mindset.

--Stop discriminating against hiring people who are too smart (this is true, many departments actually do this).
--Stop preferentially hiring people based on military experience. Being a good soldier does not necessarily translate to being a good LEO. Police are not an Occupying Army, and the public is not the Enemy.
--Reduce equipment to what's ordinary for the area. Police should not be heavily-armed commandos. Ordinary beat cops do not need military-style rifles in their cars and certainly do not need to be carrying ammunition or implements for use against their own citizenry, which would be outlawed on the field of battle.
--Walk back "officer safety" to where it was thirty years ago, and go back to needing actual justification to shoot beyond, "He scared me or might've been maybe reaching for something for a second."

Most of all: Accept it took us decades to get to this point, and chances are it'll take many years to fix it too. Even once fixed, public trust has eroded enough that it'll take years to recover. This is NOT going to go away overnight. This is going to be the largest stumbling block prohibiting real change because the public expects instant results and when that doesn't materialize tends to lose interest in favor of the next outrage-du-jour.

Danth

I agree with these too

There's even been a push for police to ONLY come from the city they live in, and not e allowed to be hired from outside that city and commute. This is actually being done in places like Philidelphia and others if I recall

The reason is that there is a belief that an officer is more likely to be more sympathetic and understanding to those that they police if they see them as from the same city as them. Makes sense to me

The problem is, like you said, systemic. There happens to be a shortage of police in Philidelphia, and that's why the department hires from outside the city. The more they reduce the hiring radius, the more shorthanded they get and the longer response times get

And with all this negative attention on police, I have a feeling that recruiting police is going to be even more challenging in the years ahead. So a restriction on where you are allowed to hire from is going to add extra challenge, possibly longer wait times. Is it worth it? Could be debated either way, did a longer wait time cost a life?

[unsunghero]

But also, in regards to the escalated autistic child, I believe it shouldn't REQUIRE a social worker to prevent that child from being shot

I think that a properly trained police officer can also be taught the simple understanding that no matter which direction the situation goes with a small escalated autistic child who is unarmed, there is absolutely no reason to pull out a gun. I think it is possible to train that

And there is mental health training for police. For our police nowadays it's called CIS although I forget what it is an acronym for, crisis intervention something. It's basically a division of police that has been trained in mental health and what it looks like who are requested to go out on mental health calls. This special division of police is who does the mental health pick ups, which are people in the community who have been petitioned, or in CA or other states it's called 51/50'd or Baker Act'ed, to be evaluated against their will at a hospital due to serious credible immediate threats to self/others PLUS mental illness symptoms

[unsunghero]

Here's an example, I won't reveal any PHI (protected health information) regarding the person's identity, because this was a real situation I heard about

A person who had a history of schizophrenia and delusions was off their medications and their caseworker requested some co-workers mine to assess how bad their symptoms were and make sure they were ok, and to possibly assist them to treatment if they were willing. This particular person had what we call religious preoccupation, which is different than simply being religious, to put it in layman's terms it is an extreme version of religious belief that is incongruent to their baseline mentally stable behavior. This particular person happened to have the delusion that they were Jesus and were a prophet when off their medications

When my co-workers arrived, they could tell the person was symptomatic. They listened and validated and tried to move the conversation towards getting re-stabilized on medications. Before they could get too far, the person offered an unknown red liquid in a cup to one and called it his holy water and asked them to drink it. We're not allowed to accept food/drink offers from clients and in this situation, it wasn't deemed safe either way. The co-worker politely declined saying that we are not allowed to accept any food or drinks from anyone, but this angered the client. He said that if they weren't going to accept the drink than they should leave and started to get escalated and aggressive

As social workers, once they are not listening anymore and displaying the signs that they could get physical, that is our cue to leave. We are trained to get away from that situation. So the co-workers apologized for things not going the way the client had expected and said they were going to have to leave, and then exited the client's home. When they were about 20 feet away, the noticed the client had come out his home wielding a wooden statute like a club

He began to chase the co-workers. One of them was a very heavyset LGBT guy who had zero chance of getting away. But due to extreme luck, the client happened to be barefoot, and as the client was bearing down and closing in him with the makeshift weapon, he stepped on a piece of glass because the apartment area was kind of sketchy. And the client cut open his foot and went down, and the co-workers were able to get away

The female social worker co-worker of the group said she was so frightened when she contacted PD that she reverted back to her native language spanish, to describe what was happening

True story, I've done the same job for more than a decade, ive seen and heard a lot of shit

[Horza]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's an example, I won't reveal any PHI (protected health information) regarding the person's identity, because this was a real situation I heard about

A person who had a history of schizophrenia and delusions was off their medications and their caseworker requested some co-workers mine to assess how bad their symptoms were and make sure they were ok, and to possibly assist them to treatment if they were willing. This particular person had what we call religious preoccupation, which is different than simply being religious, to put it in layman's terms it is an extreme version of religious belief that is incongruent to their baseline mentally stable behavior. This particular person happened to have the delusion that they were Jesus and were a prophet when off their medications

When my co-workers arrived, they could tell the person was symptomatic. They listened and validated and tried to move the conversation towards getting re-stabilized on medications. Before they could get too far, the person offered an unknown red liquid in a cup to one and called it his holy water and asked them to drink it. We're not allowed to accept food/drink offers from clients and in this situation, it wasn't deemed safe either way. The co-worker politely declined saying that we are not allowed to accept any food or drinks from anyone, but this angered the client. He said that if they weren't going to accept the drink than they should leave and started to get escalated and aggressive

As social workers, once they are not listening anymore and displaying the signs that they could get physical, that is our cue to leave. We are trained to get away from that situation. So the co-workers apologized for things not going the way the client had expected and said they were going to have to leave, and then exited the client's home. When they were about 20 feet away, the noticed the client had come out his home wielding a wooden statute like a club

He began to chase the co-workers. One of them was a very heavyset LGBT guy who had zero chance of getting away. But due to extreme luck, the client happened to be barefoot, and as the client was bearing down and closing in him with the makeshift weapon, he stepped on a piece of glass because the apartment area was kind of sketchy. And the client cut open his foot and went down, and the co-workers were able to get away

The female of the group said she was so frightened when she contacted PD that she reverted back to her native language spanish, to describe what was happening

True story, I've done the same job for more than a decade, ive seen and heard a lot of shit

You should go back to spamming braindead memes, it's more effective than this drivel.