Patch Notes: Friday, May 7th, 2021

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by rjw513 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Idc how long it should or shouldn’t take or how easy or hard it is to do, but if I was the one doing it and reading what some of you are whining about, I would be taking my good ol’ time...

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[Baler]

Originally Posted by rjw513 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Idc how long it should or shouldn’t take or how easy or hard it is to do, but if I was the one doing it and reading what some of you are whining about, I would be taking my good ol’ time...

So the problem with this logic is that's not how it works.

When a private server owner is running a production server. They get fixes out asap. They may have to ban some people who are spamming but otherwise when the community cries out the staff listen and get it done.

I don't know why project 1999 Green has slipped away from the expected standards of a production private server. I have my theories.

It's important for people to cry out when something is wrong. It let's the staff know something is wrong. How the staff respond is what matters. Of course they could just keep us in the dark not giving us updates. It can go either way, they're the ones in control. We are the consumers. That however does not excuse the fact that Project 1999 is a private server with production server level of standards.

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Edit: If p99 didn't have an expected level of excellence, you'd be playing one of the other lesser private servers or live everquest TLP
P99 is the largest everquest private server.

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the problem with this logic is that's not how it works.

When a private server owner is running a production server. They get fixes out asap. They may have to ban some people who are spamming but otherwise when the community cries out the staff listen and get it done.

I don't know why project 1999 Green has slipped away from the expected standards of a production private server. I have my theories.

It's important for people to cry out when something is wrong. It let's the staff know something is wrong. How the staff respond is what matters. Of course they could just keep us in the dark not giving us updates. It can go either way, they're the ones in control. We are the consumers. That however does not excuse the fact that Project 1999 is a private server with production server level of standards.

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Edit: If p99 didn't have an expected level of excellence, you'd be playing one of the other lesser private servers or live everquest TLP
P99 is the largest everquest private server.

You aren't even Consumers if you want to be all technical about it.

The Ultimate "Respect" a Developer can have for their "Consumer" is to just ignore the "Consumer" entirely and to keep a tight Development group of testers/devs creating what they created to begin with.. Not you. Consumers always try to take credibility where they have none.

Long term development is the only credibility you can have here. And they have it.

You have nothing to do with Development of this. They are not held to any Standard, they are just the best server, so people play on the best server, the Emulation of Classic/Velious/Kunark..

You're full of shit with these "Standards of Production" on a Private Emulated Server..

P99 is held to no "Standards" from you that ALL EQEMU servers aren't also held to. They have no expectations, and none of you are "helping.." you aren't doing anything but "consuming.." something 100% for free. Get real.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Shawk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You aren't even Consumers if you want to be all technical about it.

The Ultimate "Respect" a Developer can have for their "Consumer" is to just ignore the "Consumer" entirely and to keep a tight Development group of testers/devs creating what they created to begin with.. Not you. Consumers always try to take credibility where they have none.

Long term development is the only credibility you can have here. And they have it.

You have nothing to do with Development of this. They are not held to any Standard, they are just the best server, so people play on the best server, the Emulation of Classic/Velious/Kunark..

You're full of shit with these "Standards of Production" on a Private Emulated Server..

P99 is held to no "Standards" from you that ALL EQEMU servers are also held to. They have no expectations, and none of you are "helping.." you aren't doing anything but "consuming.." something 100% for free. Get real.

You are wrong for several reasons.
I never claimed I or consumers had anything to do with development. You are creating a fictional narrative from my post.

In the private server industry, a production server is one that is held to higher standards. These are generally the most popular and well staffed. You would not be here on P99 if it did not have a production level of standards.

All EQEMU servers are NOT held to the same standards. They ran by different people. Some who are very corrupt and some who are very good and honest. If you don't understand private servers you shouldn't even be approaching my post.

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are wrong for several reasons.
I never claimed I or consumers had anything to do with development. You are creating a fictional narrative from my post.

In the private server industry, a production server is one that is held to higher standards. These are generally the most popular and well staffed. You would not be here on P99 if it did not have a production level of standards.

All EQEMU servers are NOT held to the same standards. They ran by different people. Some who are very corrupt and some who are very good and honest. If you don't understand private servers you shouldn't even be approaching my post.

"The Private Server Industry"
"Production Server"
"Level of Standards"

Speaking of a "Fictional Narrative.."

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Shawk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You aren't even Consumers if you want to be all technical about it.

The Ultimate "Respect" a Developer can have for their "Consumer" is to just ignore the "Consumer" entirely and to keep a tight Development group of testers/devs creating what they created to begin with.. Not you. Consumers always try to take credibility where they have none.

Wow that's a lot of caps there. I don't go to a Mechanic when my car breaks down, I go to a mechanic. A developer is just another type of worker.

Are you a dev? You work in a professional shop? I do, and if some dev said what you said everyone would be like this guy is retarded. That's because consumers drive development. We don't build software so we can appreciate it, we build it so people can use it. And we're super responsive to our customers because without them we are mere hobbyists. If consumers say they don't like a button placement we hop right on it. If the consumers tell us it loads too slow, we speed it up. And if we can't do it, we patiently explain why and offer alternatives.

I'm just providing a professional viewpoint here. Like if you have a going concern that is interested in profits, then that's how you act. I understand p99 is a private effort staffed by volunteers and is operated on a hobby-level of support, maintenance and communication. I'm perfectly fine with that and have no higher expectations and I'm grateful for it's very existence.

I'm just taking a strong position over the generalization presented above.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow that's a lot of caps there. I don't go to a Mechanic when my car breaks down, I go to a mechanic. A developer is just another type of worker.

Are you a dev? You work in a professional shop? I do, and if some dev said what you said everyone would be like this guy is retarded. That's because consumers drive development. We don't build software so we can appreciate it, we build it so people can use it. And we're super responsive to our customers because without them we are mere hobbyists. If consumers say they don't like a button placement we hop right on it. If the consumers tell us it loads too slow, we speed it up. And if we can't do it, we patiently explain why and offer alternatives.

I'm just providing a professional viewpoint here. Like if you have a going concern that is interested in profits, then that's how you act. I understand p99 is a private effort staffed by volunteers and is operated on a hobby-level of support, maintenance and communication. I'm perfectly fine with that and have no higher expectations and I'm grateful for it's very existence.

I'm just taking a strong position over the generalization presented above.

As another professional dev I just want to second this. Now to be fair, I've absolutely worked at companies that didn't listen to their users ... but I left them after a year, and none of them lasted more than a couple years after (if that).

At any good software company, listening to your customer isn't just "one important thing you should do" ... it underpins your entire development process! Literally everything you work on, except paying off technical debt, should be because your "customer interfacers" (account managers, product managers, etc.) have told your dev team "the customer(s) need this."

... but none of that changes the fact that P99 is not a company with customers: it's a bunch of volunteers giving up their free time to let the rest of us play a game.

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand p99 is a private effort staffed by volunteers and is operated on a hobby-level of support, maintenance and communication. I'm perfectly fine with that and have no higher expectations and I'm grateful for it's very existence.

Only real point I was making.

I was using caps to exaggerate the terminology he was using, sorry if that triggered your "professional developer".

"Development" is a pretty broad term, "not listening to customers" was meant to be more about the development phase of a video game being developed, the original creation.

[Snaggles]

Run of the mill mage pets certainly seem to have taken a hit. In rudimentary testing mine seem to all hit mid/high 50’s. Logically this doesn’t make much sense if EoT is still hitting for low 60’s with the intrinsic benefits (of the pet and the class). One would think an earth pet of the same level would hit at least for the same.

As for elf lawyering this is all I can find. It’s from 05 though.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...tml?spell=1675

I’ll dig though patch history but like these days back then they were quite vague as to the changes. Likewise the player’s didn’t offer tangible feedback. I hope this will get tweaked a bit if not fixed. At least if the GM’s didn’t foresee this type of drop in performance.

The bump from a focused 49 to a 57+ per really doesn’t seem like it matters anymore. I guess If unchanged I’ll use DDD again at least. So long as the DS isn’t removed in future patches...

[jolanar]

I'll believe the "it's just a hobby bro" crowd after they post how much money they've made in donations over the years.