Delay the launch...

[larper99]

Having been a SW engineer for over 30 years, I can tell you there are two major syndromes when it comes to a new release:

1) Releasing too early, rationalizing major bug into minor problems. Crossing our fingers and hoping that the users don't find that use case you know about (they always find it in 5 minutes while it took your testers and dev team 4 months to run into it). The need for revenue outweighs the anger of the end users.

2) Waiting for perfection. Each bug that has a workaround is rated as a major issue. Aesthetic issues are sweated over because the developer has been staring at the same glitch for weeks but in reality users will never see it because it's usually on screen for 5 seconds. The desire to please everyone outweighs everything else.

Both are bad.

Problem number 1 results in angry users and a bad reputation. But it can be overcome if patches are forthcoming and actually solve problems. Devs are usually motivated to solve the problems once the pressure of release is behind them.

Problem number 2 results in demoralized developers who, faced with the impossible task of creating perfection, simply walk away to find a new project. People need goals that are attainable, even if they at first seem impossible. And they need the rewards of their efforts. People actually using their software is that reward.

[Fammaden]

Please delay green because "WHAT IF?!?!?!?"

[larper99]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please delay green because "WHAT IF?!?!?!?"

Exactly. It might not be perfect, so don't release. Bad bad bad.

The Green team set a goal, release on Oct 25th. Release and move on. If they put it off, they will please N users and anger M users, all while demoralizing themselves. Demoralized devs are definitely not a good thing. So, the question is, is N<M or is N>M? I have a sneaking suspicion that N is much smaller than M.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by larper99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. It might not be perfect, so don't release. Bad bad bad.

The Green team set a goal, release on Oct 25th. Release and move on. If they put it off, they will please N users and anger M users, all while demoralizing themselves. Demoralized devs are definitely not a good thing. So, the question is, is N<M or is N>M? I have a sneaking suspicion that N is much smaller than M.

it's seems your variables are way too simplistic. How upset will the users be when a bunch of exploits/bugs are used to permanently warp the landscape of green server's lifespan? what's worse, being upset for a week or two for something you are getting FOR FREE, or bug/exploit that ticks off everyone else for the remaining 3 or so years of greens lifespan.

[larper99]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's seems your variables are way too simplistic. How upset will the users be when a bunch of exploits/bugs are used to permanently warp the landscape of green server's lifespan? what's worse, being upset for a week or two for something you are getting FOR FREE, or bug/exploit that ticks off everyone else for the remaining 3 or so years of greens lifespan.

Neither will have a huge impact on my life. But how happy will you be if the devs, fed up with people who demand perfection and raise every flaw to "game breaking" level, simply give up, walk away, and leave you tramping around Blue until they decide to turn off the lights?

If the bugs that people are running into exist on Blue, then it's not a Green issue but something that can be worked on after Green in released. Green seems to be about the timeline, the lighting, and the UI. They seem to have the timeline issues resolved. The lighting looks great, but if there are bugs there, they need to be fixed or people will be hating for good reason. The UI, well, it is what it is at time of release. It won't be pure classic because it CAN'T be pure classic. As long as you can interact with the UI withing hanging, crashing, or dying, its good to go.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by larper99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neither will have a huge impact on my life. But how happy will you be if the devs, fed up with people who demand perfection and raise every flaw to "game breaking" level, simply give up, walk away, and leave you tramping around Blue until they decide to turn off the lights?
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Who has demanded "perfection"? Be specific. And recreating classic as best/accurate possible is rogean and co's own vision.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's seems your variables are way too simplistic. How upset will the users be when a bunch of exploits/bugs are used to permanently warp the landscape of green server's lifespan? what's worse, being upset for a week or two for something you are getting FOR FREE, or bug/exploit that ticks off everyone else for the remaining 3 or so years of greens lifespan.

Dude, no one disagrees with that in concept. The point everyone is trying to make is that you have presented ZERO evidence of these types of things currently existing. Everyone has asked multiple times to post a list of major bugs and/or exploits that you think warrant delaying the launch. With all due respect, either post said list or stfu.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude, no one disagrees with that in concept. The point everyone is trying to make is that you have presented ZERO evidence of these types of things currently existing. Everyone has asked multiple times to post a list of major bugs and/or exploits that you think warrant delaying the launch. With all due respect, either post said list or stfu.

First off there is a metric shitload of things they could add to make green more classic. For those people who want to play as classic as possible that alone is enough of an issue for them to wait just a bit longer. But getting to bugs, as already mentioned being permanently snared and I just found my weapon vanished on looting. That's two major bugs just the last day or so.

The worst bug/exploits aren't going to be reported by 90% of the players because they will want to abuse them on release. We have to wait for the 10% to find them. Worse, the class ratios are completely out of whack. Like a buttload of mages/kiters/pet classes. Who knows what kind of bugs could await SK/paladins/rangers 40+.

Now you give me a list of reasons you can't wait a little longer for something 10 years already in the making? Why should your demand to PLAY NOW DAMN IT, trump someone else who wants bugs as squashed as possible and as classic as possible? What makes you so special?

[dussle27]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please delay green because "WHAT IF?!?!?!?"

Yes great song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkHjFzw1TUg

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Oh man. Let it go.