Sullon/Training Rules

[naez]

in my extensive begging career on naked female avatars i think slayin the skele is actually faster. BUT TO EACH HER OWN SIS

[Macken]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You kinda left out the part about XP loss on death. I only died twice in PvP the entire time from levels 50-60, because everyone else was still lvl 15. It sucks when you die twice to lvl 15's. If you took 2-3 xp deaths per day (which I'm sure many neuts and goods did), you would basically be leveling in reverse. That's got to be some kind of factor in why people quit.

Interesting

[Danien]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Player enforced rules were a binding part of whatever trash server you played on, not sullon zek, which has been the only example of a ruleless server in eq. Did community enforced rules stop whoever felt like it from training / griefing there? Sure as shit not, there's a reason sullon was the first zek server to wither away to almost nothing population wise.

All of your comparisons are based off of whatever you experienced on carebear zek, not sullon and not any of the various incarnations of pvp on eqemu. Your expectations of E-Honor spontaneously emerging after getting griefed enough is naive to the extreme and almost as retarded as you yourself seem to be.

It doesn't really matter, I'm sure GMs will have in mind already what the ruleset would be, and as naez says, everything goes training will be the quickest rule changed on a server if it does go live, but not quick enough to cost the server population. It's just personally I'd rather grief them once they have enough time invested to not simply quit immediately.

Lvl 1 clerics are serious business bros

Seconded; people were douchebags and exploited the full potential of the ruleset for as long as I played on Sullon Zek (Start -> Omens of War)

[Envious]

I dont know what you think the experience on Tallon was like, but there was more than ample training. I used to log on Wynch and bring VS to the entrance groups. For hours.

The point is this, unenforceable rules work less well than no rules.

Who is to "define" training? What EQ PvP does not include a NPC at some point? Who pops their fraps key and comes to the forums first? When does the first cry of favoritism happen after a suspect ban? Who makes those judgement calls? What about the first time someone realizes they aggro'd the mob they are fraps'ing and posting as a train? Do they get banned out of stupidity? Do bans / trains get defined by forums faggots and a vote? Lol

Hate to break it to you clowns, but Sullon was not some bastion of hardcore gamers, it simply the drainage of all the trash from Tallon / Rallos / Vallon. I was a shitbag on Tallon, but when I asked for LnS, it was always granted. Because they were happy to get rid of me, and they KNEW I was done at that point.

Dunno, maybe all the decent players are gone and R99 will need its hand held by a never ended and rotating supply of CS GMs. I can promise you, Sirken will not be there for 4 years to wipe your asses for you.

[Xantille]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont know what you think the experience on Tallon was like, but there was more than ample training. I used to log on Wynch and bring VS to the entrance groups. For hours.

The point is this, unenforceable rules work less well than no rules.

Who is to "define" training? What EQ PvP does not include a NPC at some point? Who pops their fraps key and comes to the forums first? When does the first cry of favoritism happen after a suspect ban? Who makes those judgement calls? What about the first time someone realizes they aggro'd the mob they are fraps'ing and posting as a train? Do they get banned out of stupidity? Do bans / trains get defined by forums faggots and a vote? Lol

Hate to break it to you clowns, but Sullon was not some bastion of hardcore gamers, it simply the drainage of all the trash from Tallon / Rallos / Vallon. I was a shitbag on Tallon, but when I asked for LnS, it was always granted. Because they were happy to get rid of me, and they KNEW I was done at that point.

Dunno, maybe all the decent players are gone and R99 will need its hand held by a never ended and rotating supply of CS GMs. I can promise you, Sirken will not be there for 4 years to wipe your asses for you.

Voodoo, is that you brew?

Honestly, rules of questionable enforceability are better than no rules, and here's why: the no rules experiment was tried on VZTZ. It failed spectacularly, and people cried for the rules back after a few days of trains and people being unable to get pixels.

At least w/ the threat of bans/suspensions for training, hacking etc there will be some kind of deterrent mechanism whereby people will lose their characters if they consistently do bad shit. Sure, fraps of trains are judgment calls, but it's better than nothing.

[Lasher]

I typically try to adhere to the rules but on 1.0 when they took the rules out the first thing i did was train heresy in fear. Its something I think should be against the rules and its something i wouldnt want done to me.

[Envious]

Voodoo and I do not remotely sound like each other.

Its amazing to me how you people can be clamoring for the exact thing that broke the shit box, GM intervention.

Honestly, you all sound like you should just forget a R99, roll on P99, and duel for camps.

[Envious]

So, just out of curiosity, what does that mean for corpse flopping to a friendly?

Will that be "legal"? Or do you have to ask in zone who is near the path you will take, and then give 3 warnings before beginning the flop?

Would mobs pathing back from someone training to a zone exit be a train? Or what about a bad pull? is that now a "train"? Trying to break a camp, is that a "train"?

What about if you are trying to simply zone out, and fail, that always results in a train? Can people not train out of instances now?

Trying to run from a melee, and you aggro some shit, someone heals said melee, crap aggros, illegal?

You fight someone, fear an NPC off you, is that legal?

This is fucking stupid, I could spend all day coming up with ways to hit the "training" gray area. Introducing judgement calls is beyond fucking idiotic. If they implement a rule set for R99, I hope it works. But we all know it will not. Someone will get banned, QQ will ensue, GM favoritism b/c they think someone else aggro'd it first. Look at logs, omg, a completely different person aggro'd it, new ban inc... more QQ.

I dont think the Project 1999 dev team has enough ABA certified lawyers to write a foolproof set of rules. Your asking for shit down the road, and drama.

[Xantille]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Voodoo and I do not remotely sound like each other.

Its amazing to me how you people can be clamoring for the exact thing that broke the shit box, GM intervention.

Honestly, you all sound like you should just forget a R99, roll on P99, and duel for camps.

O my fault, I forgot Wynch was a slut character in PDM.

I'm all for having no rules, but the majority will not be. Not all trainers are created equal -- some people are a lot better at it than others. No rules on the shit box would have led to a much quicker server death.

[Macken]

There will be less drama with no training, than with training.

There will be less population with training, than no training.

Don't know anyone who would debate these.