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[JurisDictum]

A real world analogy of how my p99 politics work would be one of those very wealthy people that vote for Bernie Sanders. I don't think the raid scene works for most people, and I see no real world reason why it shouldn't. Other than most people currently getting pixils want to maintain the exclusivity of them (see: Hoku making sure no one gets a shroud after him).

The server staff cannot prevent people from staying up till 3 am to batphone mobs. But it could put in a rotation system that allows casual guilds to get some pixils here and there.

Lets get real: very few people choose to play this game if they cannot advance their character(s). Even if that advancement is very slow, it can keep people playing a long time. Keep in mind, if this was live, casuals wouldn't have 2 level 60s and nothing to do. Things aren't working like they used to on live mostly because of this.

There are three possible courses of action:

1) Keep more or less the current system that can only support two hardcore guilds.

2) Guild rotation to give casuals a wack at a mob once a month (give a full day to try any mob they want -- fuck it). This will lower the pixils for the hardcore guilds, but it will grant limited access to pixils to those that simply can't keep up with that schedual all the time.

3)Release Luclin. Luclin -- love it or hate it -- would solve a huge amount of the problems with multiple 60s, lack of raid content for everyone, and the inevitable burn out that will occur if this server is forever locked in Velious.

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The server staff cannot prevent people from staying up till 3 am to batphone mobs. But it could put in a rotation system that allows casual guilds to get some pixils here and there.

Lets get real: very few people choose to play this game if they cannot advance their character(s). Even if that advancement is very slow, it can keep people playing a long time. Keep in mind, if this was live, casuals wouldn't have 2 level 60s and nothing to do. Things aren't working like they used to on live mostly because of this.

There are three possible courses of action:

1) Keep more or less the current system that can only support two hardcore guilds.

2) Guild rotation to give casuals a wack at a mob once a month (give a full day to try any mob they want -- fuck it). This will lower the pixils for the hardcore guilds, but it will grant limited access to pixils to those that simply can't keep up with that schedual all the time.

3)Release Luclin. Luclin -- love it or hate it -- would solve a huge amount of the problems with multiple 60s, lack of raid content for everyone, and the inevitable burn out that will occur if this server is forever locked in Velious.

#1 staff will not create or enforce a rotation. Give it up.

#2 Variance and rotations in theory. Can and would a causal guild ever get their shit together to kill a_random_ntov_dragon at 4 am when those casuals are sleeping, or noontime when those casuals are at work? This game waits for no-one.

#3 casuals and the zones they are allowed to raid in as it comes to rotations. Class R casuals were not allowed into VP, the home of the BiS items. Logically Ntov should not be allowed in a C/R class system by virtue ntov is end zone of velious.

#4 classic during original launch casual guilds never saw any end game content it was monopolized by hardcore raid guilds. In this sense p99 is no different from the live experience. You didn't get to kill that stuff back then, and you certainly won't get to kill that stuff now.

[Jay F Kay]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#1 staff will not create or enforce a rotation. Give it up.

#2 Variance and rotations in theory. Can and would a causal guild ever get their shit together to kill a_random_ntov_dragon at 4 am when those casuals are sleeping, or noontime when those casuals are at work? This game waits for no-one.

#3 casuals and the zones they are allowed to raid in as it comes to rotations. Class R casuals were not allowed into VP, the home of the BiS items. Logically Ntov should not be allowed in a C/R class system by virtue ntov is end zone of velious.

#4 classic during original launch casual guilds never saw any end game content it was monopolized by hardcore raid guilds. In this sense p99 is no different from the live experience. You didn't get to kill that stuff back then, and you certainly won't get to kill that stuff now.

Jesus fucking christ dude, its 17 year old emulated elf simulator. The only thing you're entitled to for wasting your entire life on this shit is unemployment and loneliness.

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by Jay F Kay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jesus fucking christ dude, its 17 year old emulated elf simulator. The only thing you're entitled to for wasting your entire life on this shit is unemployment and loneliness.

We're just playing the game, you demand special exemptions to accommodate you.

[Jay F Kay]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're just playing the game, you demand special exemptions to accommodate you.

I've demanded nothing, I'm simply stating that the measures you take to acquire pixels are batshit crazy. Why don't you go try and tell a normal person about what you do here, and see if they think it's socially acceptable behavior.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#1 staff will not create or enforce a rotation. Give it up.

#2 Variance and rotations in theory. Can and would a causal guild ever get their shit together to kill a_random_ntov_dragon at 4 am when those casuals are sleeping, or noontime when those casuals are at work? This game waits for no-one.

#3 casuals and the zones they are allowed to raid in as it comes to rotations. Class R casuals were not allowed into VP, the home of the BiS items. Logically Ntov should not be allowed in a C/R class system by virtue ntov is end zone of velious.

#4 classic during original launch casual guilds never saw any end game content it was monopolized by hardcore raid guilds. In this sense p99 is no different from the live experience. You didn't get to kill that stuff back then, and you certainly won't get to kill that stuff now.

Your points about rotation are misguided. First of all, ST is the end zone technically; but even if you don't include NToV, my argument still stands. That being said, I don't think its impossible to get a rotation with all targets. A lot of people said the class system that exited in Kunark would never exist as well....

Your also misunderstanding my Luclin comment. Its not that casual guilds were in the top Luclin zones, Its that they still had things to do in both Velious and lower-end Luclin. There is also the fact that there are a lot of AAs that need to be grinded, which gives people that either don't raid or don't raid all the time, something to do.

Asgard, was a causal guild (and still is in its current forum after the merg). So yes, I do think casual guilds can get it together enough to kill things here and there if you don't basically make it impossible.

People like me and you spend our time around people that raid a lot and have been here awhile. This causes most people to assume that half the people that play the server are like this or more. That's not the case. Its a small minority that plays this way and it only seems normal because were used to it. Your average MMO gamer -- forget average person -- hears about the competition on this server and think "that's fucking crazy...how could those people care so much?"

Some of this is because they overestimate what it takes to be on the loot train (hint there are people in vulak pixils that never track and put in less play time than half of BDA). But a lot of it is because people see servers like this is something fun for 30-40 year olds to do to relive their days of EQ. Not compete for world firsts like modern MMOs (which are much more difficult). But competing is the only option on this server for reasons that didn't exist on classic. The minute any of the current issues STARTED to arise in EQ Live....new servers and eventually instancing.

If you care about server health more than your personal pixil stash. You should frame your arguments in terms about how the overall server is improved or made worse by certain changes in question.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...there are people in vulak pixils that never track and put in less play time than half of BDA...

unpossible

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

unpossible

I swear to all you reading this. If you log in for batphones 50%-70% of the time, you'll be playing less than 15 hours a week and getting enough DKP to eventually get anything you want. You don't get to pick the hours though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. That is the deal breaker for most people.

[Cecily]

I see why this guy got elected... and shot.

[Pokesan]

casuals can get dragon loot if they stop being casual

the system works