Muslims in Denmark protesting for a caliphate, Sweden now rape capital of the west

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to educate yourself read real news

You use the news to educate yourself and you're calling me a bone head? The news is for being notified about an event that happens, not telling you how to think, in spite of all your American conditioning to the contrary. I read plenty of pro-Muslim editorials on Al-Jazeera but I balance it out with what I know and what is empirically verifiable about the world, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one on this forum who has provided a shitload of facts supporting my assertions about Muslims.

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you read the thread then you would know I dismantled the all-too-charitable notion that there are competing reasonable views here a few pages in.

I thought this was that other thread, you're right this thread sucks.

[Rastignac]

Putting aside the fact the polls of public opinion in the United States paint an equally horrifying picture (among people whose level of education and freedom from conflict should have produced a kinder outlook on life), let's entertain your statistics.

What about the majorities in each case who do not share those hateful opinions? What about, in the case of your first citation, the 80% of British Muslims who do not sympathize with the 7/7 bombers? Should they be denied tolerance?

and by the way "it's time to stop tolerating those who don't deserve tolerance" is literally a perfect definition of fascism.

you have earned your badge, sir.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you read the thread then you would know I dismantled the all-too-charitable notion that there are competing reasonable views here a few pages in. What you call an exchange of views is really just a bunch of bone heads trotting out their jingoism and xenophobia, indulging in peurile pleasure, and then donning a tone of moderation later on to feel better about themselves. This conversation is not virtuous. If you want to educate yourself read real news

oh oh, another pseudo-intellectual, can't wait to read his next post. We're so inferior o'wise one.

[Rastignac]

What I mean to say is that when you have a pro-assad propagandist and an unreconstructed racist ranting post after post, discourse has not been earned. Derision is appropriate.

So, badges.

[Rastignac]

If you want to do your part, a good first step is to stop thinking about 1.2 billion people as a single unit. This fear-mongering helps nobody except extreme Muslim elements who want to portray Americans as being bent upon the destruction of Islam.

[Rastignac]

Here's some of that data you're so fond of

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/op...reat.html?_r=0

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

eh, if the last 300 years are any indication, America has the assimilation game pretty well mastered. despite the fact that those with racist and fascist impulses trot out these same fear-based arguments every single time.

There is no evidence that Muslim Americans represent a security threat. The majority of our terrorism is perpetrated by White Christians.

It's a very different thing to integrate Irish, Italians, Germans, etc who are all very culturally similar.

We've still failed in many ways to integrate blacks, Chinese, and many other groups.

It's not about a threat to our security, but a threat to our culture. Making 15% of your country Muslim when over 50% of those Muslims support enacting Sharia law is problematic. You can see in that paper that, after immigration by Muslims, the Dutch experienced their first two political assassinations since the Enlightenment: Muslims killing Dutch artists and cartoonists for religious reasons.

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to do your part, a good first step is to stop thinking about 1.2 billion people as a single unit. This fear-mongering helps nobody except extreme Muslim elements who want to portray Americans as being bent upon the destruction of Islam.

I never did this. Islam spans many different cultures, but it does have some core values that tend to be preserved across cultural lines. They kill each other more than they kill us.

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's some of that data you're so fond of

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/op...reat.html?_r=0

You don't find the way they assemble their narrative disingenuous? They conveniently exclude 9/11. That's like me saying Smallpox isn't a dangerous virus because it has killed so few people since we cured it.

That said, I don't necessarily disagree. It's more about culture than the threat of terrorist violence.

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also all of this is patently unconstitutional. Which in this case is pretty much a euphemism for fascist.

You keep calling me fascist like I give a shit. I am a fascist. Not all fascism is national socialism, and it's an extreme left ideology as much as an extreme right one.

[Rastignac]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a very different thing to integrate Irish, Italians, Germans, etc who are all very culturally similar.

We've still failed in many ways to integrate blacks, Chinese, and many other groups.

It's not about a threat to our security, but a threat to our culture. Making 15% of your country Muslim when over 50% of those Muslims support enacting Sharia law is problematic. You can see in that article that, after immigration by Muslims, the Dutch experienced their first two political assassinations since the Enlightenment: Muslims killing Dutch artists and cartoonists for religious reasons.



I never did this. Islam spans many different cultures, but it does have some core values that tend to be preserved across cultural lines.



You don't find the way they assemble their narrative disingenuous? They conveniently exclude 9/11. That's like me saying Smallpox isn't a dangerous virus because it has killed so few people since we cured it.

That said, I don't necessarily disagree. It's more about culture than the threat of terrorist violence.

Do you differentiate yourself from the anti-immigrant ranters of the past? Or do you just think they were right?

[Rastignac]

And furthermore Irish, German and Italian immigrants seem culturally similar to you now precisely due to assimilation. At the time the Irish were considered sub-human, rape-hungry, drunk simians by the WASP establishment. They did their best to keep them out, marshaling the same arguments you are marshaling.

In point of fact, America, as a traditionally Christian nation, has far more culture in common with Muslims, another people of the book, then they do with Chinese, Japanese, Hindus, Southeast Asians, etc.

Muslims are just available to you as a convenient other. You are deriving the same pleasure and sense of security from your bigotry as any bigot in the past. You are just experiencing it in the present tense.

But don't mistake me, the convictions that are animating these posts of yours give you a window onto all fascist impulses of the past. In a way you are getting to know what it was like to be a regular ol' German 30-something in 1933.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In point of fact, America, as a traditionally Christian nation, has far more culture in common with Muslims, another people of the book, then they do with Chinese, Japanese, Hindus, Southeast Asians, etc.

And yet the Asians assimilate more successfully. The Asians don't fly planes into buildings, blow themselves up to kill non-believers, or kill people because of cartoons. Perhaps successful assimilation requires more than just a 3000 year old book in common.