All of you: Please vote for Donald Trump

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I do not agree. It's the lack of federal oversight and the hiding of assets coupled with executive level pay that exacerbates the problem. You can blame the workforce, or you can stop paying CEOs millions of dollars and pay that money to the people that worked the hardest to earn it instead of treating them like slave labor and then throwing them away to pay people overseas even less.

This is a nice sentiment but it's just not reality.

First of all, it's easy to find unskilled labor, it's a lot harder to find good CEOs. You think being a CEO is easy - it isn't.

CEO's don't work 9-5. The company is their life. People are compensated what the market values them at.

And all that talk about slave labor and outsourcing dies out when you end up having to pay a lot more for the shit you buy - it's all driven by competition.

Not just competition for products, but competition for talent working at the company.

[Samoht]

Someone is drinking the capitalist kool-aid.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a nice sentiment but it's just not reality.

First of all, it's easy to find unskilled labor, it's a lot harder to find good CEOs. You think being a CEO is easy - it isn't.

CEO's don't work 9-5. The company is their life. People are compensated what the market values them at.

And all that talk about slave labor and outsourcing dies out when you end up having to pay a lot more for the shit you buy - it's all driven by competition.

Not just competition for products, but competition for talent working at the company.

All the things you said justify good pay. They do not justify astronomical pay, which is what people have issues with. Even so, CEO pay is such a stupid, petty issue in an economy that's being anally raped by fiscal conservatism.

The public has as much a right to tell corporations how to allocate their resources as corporations have to tell the government how to allocate theirs. Ideally, when corporations are being inimical, people wouldn't work for them or patronize them, but it doesn't really work like that, the invisible hand is a fallacy, etc

[Pokesan]

i want chocolate

[Lojik]

The problem with labor unions, minimum wage, etc, is that they play on people's beliefs on how things should be, so people tend to neglect to look at it in a positive way (if this happens, then this.) The fact is people respond to incentives,both negative and positive. Higher taxes /costs here mean people will look for a cheaper way to do it.

Labor unions=!minimum wage laws in the strictest sense, but it kinda is the same thing. Isn't weird how labor unions are some of the strongest supporters of minimum wage hikes?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...18541000422454

In terms of lax tax enforcement, not really sure how you'd enforce American laws in other countries,unless you're just adding tax on to prices of goods, but that's really just the American consumer paying.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I do not agree. It's the lack of federal oversight and the hiding of assets coupled with executive level pay that exacerbates the problem. You can blame the workforce, or you can stop paying CEOs millions of dollars and pay that money to the people that worked the hardest to earn it instead of treating them like slave labor and then throwing them away to pay people overseas even less.

That is unfortunate because it undermines your entire argument by ignoring facts. It is downright absurd to think that making something more costly will make it more attractive (all other things being equal). You can assign blame on lack of government oversight as well, but outright refusing to acknowledge the former is just plain stupid :/ or (what I suspect more to be the case) stubborn. Either way, it's wrong.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so people tend to neglect to look at it in a positive way

So you're saying that people should just be happy with the table scraps they're receiving as compensation for working 40 or more hours a week while corporations reap record breaking profits?

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In terms of lax tax enforcement, not really sure how you'd enforce American laws in other countries,unless you're just adding tax on to prices of goods, but that's really just the American consumer paying.

Well that's conveniently short-sighted when you look at it through capitalistic eyes. Too bad that's probably the worst view to have.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The public has as much a right to tell corporations how to allocate their resources as corporations have to tell the government how to allocate theirs.

I agree, neither posses any such right, nor should they, nor should either possess the right to wield the strong arm of government to manipulate the other's property.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is unfortunate because it undermines your entire argument by ignoring facts. It is downright absurd to think that making something more costly will make it more attractive (all other things being equal). You can assign blame on lack of government oversight as well, but outright refusing to acknowledge the former is just plain stupid :/ or (what I suspect more to be the case) stubborn. Either way, it's wrong.

I'm sorry, but the only people stubborn and ignoring facts are the ones ignoring how CEO pay has skyrocketed over the last 50 years while minimum wage has not even kept up with inflation. The people in control are raking in record windfalls while the rest of us are barely scraping by while indebted to those with the money. It's basically 21st century indentured servitude.

[iruinedyourday]

I like how conservatives are like, 'no trust me it's a long game, I know we've been in financial ruin it for the last 30 years but trust me it's the best system and it will work if you just keep letting it do exactly what it is already doing without bothering it at all'