Necro, how do you not choose Iksar?

[kaev]

Non-Iksar necro strat: Group with a paladin! He'll be so happy to have a friend he'll keep you healed no questions asked!

A fungi tunic is 15hp/tick standing or sitting, even so the overwhelming majority of melees & hybrids & even shamans here somehow get by without one despite taking damage all the time. An Iksar necro has a useful edge, but any necro in skilled hands is very powerful and effective, soloing extremely well and pulling his weight & then some in a group.

Mountain? Nope, molehill.

[ddxdy]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Non-Iksar necro strat: Group with a paladin! He'll be so happy to have a friend he'll keep you healed no questions asked!

A fungi tunic is 15hp/tick standing or sitting, even so the overwhelming majority of melees & hybrids & even shamans here somehow get by without one despite taking damage all the time. An Iksar necro has a useful edge, but any necro in skilled hands is very powerful and effective, soloing extremely well and pulling his weight & then some in a group.

Mountain? Nope, molehill.

The difference is those melees/tanks don't have a persistent 20 dmg/tick hitting them. That's what we're talking about, that's a fundamental part of the necro class.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by ddxdy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is those melees/tanks don't have a persistent 20 dmg/tick hitting them. That's what we're talking about, that's a fundamental part of the necro class.

It's useful but the argument against it is that it's marginal. Necros have access to great lifetaps that are DDs and DoTs that are hard to be resisted making them useful for both doing damage and healing the necro.

When high end necros in velious have DD clickies & lifetap clickies, what are you really going to be using mana on?

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[Daldaen]

32 at level 60***

But yea. It's not worth comparing any other class to Necro when evaluating the value of regen. Only Shamans have an okay argument.

[pharmakos]

so this thread has degraded to "what do necros even need mana for anyway?"

lol the fear of lizard is strong

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so this thread has degraded to "what do necros even need mana for anyway?"

lol the fear of lizard is strong

No need to dumb down the debate.

Shaman have gone through the very same thing when talking about the benefits of Troll regen at 60 when they have Torpor. I think it's the same. The regen is useful, most useful on raids, but outside that, kinda marginal.

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No need to dumb down the debate.

Shaman have gone through the very same thing when talking about the benefits of Troll regen at 60 when they have Torpor. I think it's the same. The regen is useful, most useful on raids, but outside that, kinda marginal.

You're arguing that necromancers don't even need extra regen to counteract lich because they don't really need mana because there's a drop from Veeshan's Peak with a 13.5 second cast time that slowly restores hp for no mana and clickable nuke rings that drop from the boss of a zone that hasn't been released yet?

The fact that you're comparing racial regen on an necromancer running demi lich to a torpor shaman and calling it marginal tells us that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Play necromancers running demi lich both with and without iksar regen and then come back and tell us what you've learned.

[mrshzzit]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're arguing that necromancers don't even need extra regen to counteract lich because they don't really need mana because there's a drop from Veeshan's Peak with a 13.5 second cast time that slowly restores hp for no mana and clickable nuke rings that drop from the boss of a zone that hasn't been released yet?

The fact that you're comparing racial regen on an necromancer running demi lich to a torpor shaman and calling it marginal tells us that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Play necromancers running demi lich both with and without iksar regen and then come back and tell us what you've learned.

14 regen sitting at 60 is nothing. And you seem pretty angry.

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by mrshzzit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you seem pretty angry.

Not sure how you got anger, but feel free to make up whatever tone you like when you read my posts.

Originally Posted by mrshzzit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

18 regen sitting at 60 is nothing.

Whatever you say, bud.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're arguing that necromancers don't even need extra regen to counteract lich because they don't really need mana because there's a drop from Veeshan's Peak with a 13.5 second cast time that slowly restores hp for no mana and clickable nuke rings that drop from the boss of a zone that hasn't been released yet?

The fact that you're comparing racial regen on an necromancer running demi lich to a torpor shaman and calling it marginal tells us that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Play necromancers running demi lich both with and without iksar regen and then come back and tell us what you've learned.

Allow me to challenge you to tell me what you can do with your iksar necro that you can't do with another necro. What camp opens up to iksars?

The talk about VP gear is just referring to how useful racial regen is when a necro is maxed out.

Demi lich and torpor shaman have a lot of similarities in the sense they both have among the fastest mana regen in the game and efficient and quick ways to heal themselves making slow hp regen, marginal.

Plz refrain from insults, try to stick to debate.