Rules Decent Players should abide by...

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The devs want this server to be cutthroat, and the raid mechanics that they have chosen (combined with the global nature of early EQ) encourage balls-to-the-wall "competition" via staring at the computer screen for hours. Combine that with massive overcrowding, where you would never get anything done if you just waited in line forever, and the raid attitude gradually percolates down to the rest of the server. The vast majority of people don't enjoy spending their free time crushing other sociopaths on the Internet, which is why other MMOs implemented instances.

TLDR: the server is the way it is because the devs want it that way.

I've never seen anywhere that the devs have said they wanted the server to be cutthroat.

What I have seen is them saying they want the server to be as classic was in 99.

This doesn't in of itself preclude the server being on a total rotational basis - which a minority did. But that is mostly irrelevant aprt from giving some context.

It really is down to the people playing to decide which way the server goes (which I have seen devs say). And on P99 the douchebag levels are waaaaay above those from mine and many others experiences of classic 99-02.

Unfortunately this means the server is how it is, because douchebaggery always wins out as the nature of EQ lends itself to that so well. And hence eventually we have Rogean stepping in when those levels of douchebaggery after 3 fucking years remained as high as ever.

tl:dr the server is how it is cuz ppl are shits

[Erica]

Seems like people who ask for NBG in a group are the usually the ones who will benefit from it at that particular camp. So... you want me to help you not only have a chance to get this item, but you don't want to give me a chance to win it as well? What if I want to sell/trade it so I can fill one of my empty slots? Or upgrade a current slot? And this is called need before greed? Sounds like you are the greedy one.

Here is the other thing though. Lets say I could have used the plat because there are still items I want to buy, but it was an upgrade for them so I let the person have it. I doubt they are going to hold onto that item forever. What happens when they get an upgrade? Are they going to contact the rest of those group members and split the plat? No. They are going to sell the item and put it towards something else they want, which is what I wanted to do in the first place.

I don't see any difference in equipping the item as an upgrade or using it to get an upgrade. NBG is so greedy. If you feel you don't need the item or the plat it will bring, then either pass on it or roll for it and hand it to the person who you think needs it if you win.

[Thulghor]

Really? Pixel welfare? Think you're stretching your Ayn Rand a bit.

[Thulghor]

I really like that "plat welfare" or "pixel welfare" is being brought up every time someone mentions that perhaps players should be less awful to other players, and usually by people fairly high up the "food chain."

Like somehow it is our expected objectivist duty to try to edge everyone out and be awful solely for our own personal gain. And anyone who says otherwise is "Beta" (lawls), weak, or somehow whiny and deficient. This equation makes me laugh. Especially the use of the term "Beta" in a online video game.

Sorry guys, no jobs are being created here, and no economics are trickling down, and Atlas is clearly not shrugging. Also, you're probably not the "Alphas" you think you are. Also, Regan isn't president either.

Although this is a forum for a roleplaying game, so I suppose continue to roleplay as the awful people you've always wanted to be.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really like that "plat welfare" or "pixel welfare" is being brought up every time someone mentions that perhaps players should be less awful to other players, and usually by people fairly high up the "food chain."

Like somehow it is our expected objectivist duty to try to edge everyone out and be awful solely for our own personal gain. And anyone who says otherwise is "Beta" (lawls), weak, or somehow whiny and deficient. This equation makes me laugh. Especially the use of the term "Beta" in a online video game.

Sorry guys, no jobs are being created here, and no economics are trickling down, and Atlas is clearly not shrugging. Also, you're probably not the "Alphas" you think you are.

pretty sure you're the only person in this thread that has used the words Alpha and Beta.

so, being "awful" means trying to do well for yourself in the game by having an equal chance at receiving loot that you helped to acquire?

[Tiewon Shu]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty sure you're the only person in this thread that has used the words Alpha and Beta.

so, being "awful" means trying to do well for yourself in the game by having an equal chance at receiving loot that you helped to acquire?

No, being awful is rolling on an item that you do not need, when someone obviously does need it.

Kinda like a rich millionaire strolling down a road along side a poor, almost naked homeless person. A truck rolls by and off the back of it, a nice pair of sneakers falls to the ground. The poor homeless person immediately reaches for the sneakers, as he has no footwear. The millionaire however, protests, stating that those sneakers fit him as well and should have equal claim on them.

Is the millionaire right to have equal claim on them? Yes, yes he is.
Is he a big douche bag for even suggesting he take the sneakers from a poor person that needs footwear? Yes, yes he is.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Tiewon Shu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, being awful is rolling on an item that you do not need, when someone obviously does need it.

Kinda like a rich millionaire strolling down a road along side a poor, almost naked homeless person. A truck rolls by and off the back of it, a nice pair of sneakers falls to the ground. The poor homeless person immediately reaches for the sneakers, as he has no footwear. The millionaire however, protests, stating that those sneakers fit him as well and should have equal claim on them.

Is the millionaire right to have equal claim on them? Yes, yes he is.
Is he a big douche bag for even suggesting he take the sneakers from a poor person that needs footwear? Yes, yes he is.

False analogy

[Thulghor]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty sure you're the only person in this thread that has used the words Alpha and Beta.

so, being "awful" means trying to do well for yourself in the game by having an equal chance at receiving loot that you helped to acquire?

Yeah, in THIS thread. Glance at any of the others on the same or similar topics, and you'll see. This particular topic gets brought up a lot.

You are really hung up on this idea of "need before greed" thing. You're trying to argue semantics now. You know there were other points the guy made on the list right?

Being awful doesn't mean trying to do well for yourself in the game by having an equal chance, being awful is when you cross the line from "deserving or earned/worked for it" and into the "needlessly miserly and greedy."

If you can't see where that line is, I'm not sure what to tell you.

[Slayde]

To start I only read about half the thread, so apologies if it's been said already.
The problem isn't with the game, the problem lies in the mentality of the people who play it. At some point in the past 20 years, the majority of the 1st world countries were reprogrammed to think only of themselves. That the betterment of themselves was the most important, as in the long run it would better humanity. This however is false. We are at our place in history at the moment due to the previous generations working together for a common goal. We as a species now mostly lack this ability. The definition of greed is thus: "excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions." Key word, Excessive. I know this will blow right over the tops of some heads, but the key to the betterment of humanity (and subsequently the state of the server) is to let go of the excess. There is no alpha, there is no omega, there is only now. Money doesn't matter, Pixels don't matter. All that matters is the longevity of our species. Which we have sorely misguided.

tl;dr
Assholes are the rule now, not the exception, and we will all burn for it in the end. (non-religiously)

[Thulghor]

This game and the systems behind it allows a person to be greedy and awful. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If you don't know where those boundaries lie, it's time to reevaluate your moral compass.

Thankfully, a lot of people here are pretty awesome.