PnP is classic, with highlights

[SamwiseRed]

Where does it say it was in effect during Velious? Not seeing it.

[Runya]

Link doesn't work for me....2005? You must've cried for a pansy rule like that during omens of war or some shit

[Nirgon]

http://www.elitegamerslounge.com/hom...?f=180&t=87498

Kefyra wrote:
Alot of people have had questions about the Rallos Zek ruleset and also in regards to the SOE view of what part of each rule entails. Apparently, on each server, the gms have enforced each rule differently. I will break down the ruleset here and ask the questions that most people have had so that can make it more clear and if it's ok with Brenlo, Ashlanne and Kytharrea, repost it onto the other site for everyone to see. The following rules are the main ones that people interpret differently.

On Rallos Zek, PvP-related Play Nice Policy situations are expected to be resolved using PvP solutions. However, Non PvP-related Play Nice Policy issues, such as training, causing intentional experience loss, bind point, zone, and portal camping, as well as other various forms of harassment, are not permitted in the PvP environment.
The main question about this rule is mostly involving "causing intentional experience loss." After talking to various servers, it seems that gms have enforced this rule differently, the main difference being in regards to attacking people while they were engaging mobs. On Tallon Zek, the gms said it was ok to attack on mobs as long as you had a raid force large enough to kill the mob that you were attacking for. For example, say your enemy is engaged on Zum Muram in Ruined City of Dranik. You would not be allowed to send a group of sks to deathtouch clerics or what not ,because a group of sks could not foreseeably fight the mob alone so obviously there to make the raid wipe out intentionally, causing xp loss. However, if you brought your whole raid force to fight for the mob, you were obviously there to pvp and have every intention to fight with the intent of killing your enemy via pvp so therefore were not intentionally causing xp loss.

2004... going back 1 year at a time... it was absolutely in place during Rallos Zek's Velious

[Eslade]

If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP

what if your raid strategy is to wait for the zerg to do a decent amount of the damage, wipe them out and then attempt to take the mob? I would consider that a reasonable chance.

[Runya]

Never heard of the zones they speak of in the example

[SamwiseRed]

zone and portal camping illegal?

plz enable, much bans.

[Pikrib]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

zone and portal camping illegal?

plz enable, much bans.

Need to ban Ragnaros again the guy sits at OT hammer spot and engages people before they have control of their characters. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Need to ban Ragnaros again the guy sits at OT hammer spot and engages people before they have control of their characters. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually this would be something that was illegal under PnP, ya. I got a warning for portal camping on RZ... not even knowing it was a rule when it first came out. Nice to get a warning instead of a stacking suspension, u kno?

1.
If raid X had yet to engage in the encounter, the raid should find a PvP solution
2. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP
3. If both raid X and Y engage simultaneously, they should find a PvP solution
4. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, raid X should find a PvP solution
5. If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y by training, we will enforce the PnP

^ this is exactly what should be in place.

If Azrael wants to take 40 or so players and sit there baiting us to engage... fine. If 2 neckbeards wanna sit at character select and listen for a spy call to cause a wipe? Heh, ok. That will work both ways and result in a pretty shitty box.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

zone and portal camping illegal?

plz enable, much bans.

Portal camping on Rallos was a given. Everybody knew you had to be ready for a fight when you zoned in. If this was in PnP, how come i was never aware of people getting banned over it, how come this happened all the time, especially at the trading hub, Gfay?

Gfay was the portal where this happened the most and alot, if you say this isnt the case, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[Runya]

I love frags response about a blue gm.....was that gm you nirgs? Blue fgt