Possible Return

[Ragnaros]

I hope kringe leads a resistance instead of just doing 6 man crews like he did in RD,
server would be a lot of fun and Kringe is a respectable person who plays nice w/o mass petitioning, would be some good times for raid and pvp scene competition.

[Kergan]

This server can't support 2 guilds of Holo's current size, Holo's current size is Velious era appropriate for a progression guild hate to break it to you.

Hope that clears things up.

[alaiwy0503]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This server can't support 2 guilds of Holo's current size, Holo's current size is Velious era appropriate for a progression guild hate to break it to you.

Hope that clears things up.

That is fair. But I think you're not using your own logic. The only reason you needed that many on live to progress was because of competition. Holo's current size isn't necessary for a server this size IMO.

[alaiwy0503]

Furthermore. My analogy wasn't about total #'s. If you read my response it was about the %'s. My statement about PVP is more about the amount of +100 hp/mana items that the raid guilds will have access to that the rest of the server won't.

In Kunark there are a handful of amazing items and they're rare, rile etc etc. In Velious there are a lot of 100 hp/mana items and the raid guilds could easily double the hp of non-raid guilds. The small guilds like Slosh will have to be very choosy in their battles. We will likely be blamed as only picking fights in which we are favored. And it will be true. Because 6v6 where the other 6 have twice the HP we have isn't a fair fight.

I knew that when I started on Red so i'm not upset/mad about it. But the facts are the facts.

[Kergan]

I disagree completely with that. The content is what drove people to 40-50 main raid forces not competition.

[alaiwy0503]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree completely with that. The content is what drove people to 40-50 main raid forces not competition.

That may have been true on live but the gear check barrier has been blown so far out of the water on this server that it isn't the case imo. I was in smaller guilds on RZ <Fearful Symmetry>, <Swarm of Fear> etc. We weren't leading the server but we progressed just fine through content (if not a little behind the big 3-5) with raids of 20ish.

[Pikrib]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree completely with that. The content is what drove people to 40-50 main raid forces not competition.

If the content of 32K HP dragons in Kunark is what drove Holocaust to raid 70 deep R u gonna raid 200 deep in Velious?

[Terpuntine]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the content of 32K HP dragons in Kunark is what drove Holocaust to raid 70 deep R u gonna raid 200 deep in Velious?

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[Pikrib]

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<3

[Kergan]

The gear has nothing to do with it. With the exception of 1-2 items everything will be replaced within a month.

And you didn't do jack shit at the top tier in Velious with 20, unless it was 2 xpacs later.