I thought players were supposed to play what they wanted to play...

[Danth]

Online role-playing game players can sometimes have a tendency to see things in absolute terms. They'll vehemently argue over the necessity of a couple percent here and there, or insist that if something isn't completely optimal, then it's completely useless with no in-between. I've never agreed with such a mindset, but it exists and it probably isn't going away. Just have to accept it and ignore the folks who think that way.

Back when P1999 was new and the experience penalties were glitched and not shared, I ran into folks who insisted on going short-handed rather than invite a Ranger. Think I even have part of such a conversation on an old screenshot, even. As such I wouldn't count on the Velious removal of experience penalties to do too much to improve their desirability.

Danth

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Online role-playing game players can sometimes have a tendency to see things in absolute terms. They'll vehemently argue over the necessity of a couple percent here and there, or insist that if something isn't completely optimal, then it's completely useless with no in-between. I've never agreed with such a mindset, but it exists and it probably isn't going away. Just have to accept it and ignore the folks who think that way.

Back when P1999 was new and the experience penalties were glitched and not shared, I ran into folks who insisted on going short-handed rather than invite a Ranger. Think I even have part of such a conversation on an old screenshot, even. As such I wouldn't count on the Velious removal of experience penalties to do too much to improve their desirability.

Danth

While I'd argue that the penalties should be done away with as the majority of players in classic were ignorant to hybrid penalties and would better emulate the classic experience. Yes, they exist and they have every right to be exclusionary, but let's not act like they're not shit heads for doing so.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I'd argue that the penalties should be done away with as the majority of players in classic were ignorant to hybrid penalties and would better emulate the classic experience. Yes, they exist and they have every right to be exclusionary, but let's not act like they're not shit heads for doing so.

That's what jrc doesn't get. He wants us to "not tell him who to group with" and if he wants to "avoid grouping with hybrids who are you to tell me I can't?" I'm not telling you that you can't jrc, but don't even try to argue that it doesn't make you look like an ass, because it certainly does. Refusing to group with someone for a reason as trivial as "I don't want anything to do with that class" or "it'll take me 3 extra minutes to gain a level with their EXP penalty" is ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIOR.

[Mirana]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"How one thinks the game should be played" has nothing to do with it. If you're in a game where the only thing keeping someone from playing for an ~hour stretch of sitting on their ass bored is that you want a tiny bit of experience, you're selfish aka an asshole.

You are talking about a very specific scenario, where there is a nearly full group that is refusing a player simply because they are a hybrid. A lot of places are overcamped and can be duo'd/trio'd due to mob scarcity... in this instance, it would be detrimental to invite any class, but a hybrid just makes it that much worse.

The instance that would occur most frequently when I was playing was something like this. My brother and I would be duoing temple in city of mist, easily clearing about 12 mobs every half hour because that was all we could find. People would come up and see that there were only 2 and ask to join. I would politely decline and state that were are barely enough mobs to keep us busy due to the zone being overcamped. (The hybrid discussion is irrelevant here).

If this makes me an asshole then I guess I'm an asshole.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by Mirana [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are talking about a very specific scenario, where there is a nearly full group that is refusing a player simply because they are a hybrid. A lot of places are overcamped and can be duo'd/trio'd due to mob scarcity... in this instance, it would be detrimental to invite any class, but a hybrid just makes it that much worse.

The instance that would occur most frequently when I was playing was something like this. My brother and I would be duoing temple in city of mist, easily clearing about 12 mobs every half hour because that was all we could find. People would come up and see that there were only 2 and ask to join. I would politely decline and state that were are barely enough mobs to keep us busy due to the zone being overcamped. (The hybrid discussion is irrelevant here).

If this makes me an asshole then I guess I'm an asshole.

No, that doesn't make you an asshole. But if you have 5 people and are looking for a 6th, you have every role covered, and you deny the spot to a hybrid simply because they're playing a hybrid, then you are being asslike. What we're talking about is a very specific scenario, yes, but it's one you see a LOT of on Blue.

[Mirana]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, that doesn't make you an asshole. But if you have 5 people and are looking for a 6th, you have every role covered, and you deny the spot to a hybrid simply because they're playing a hybrid, then you are being asslike. What we're talking about is a very specific scenario, yes, but it's one you see a LOT of on Blue.

Ah, I understand. Yes, I would tend to agree with you there for the most part.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Online role-playing game players can sometimes have a tendency to see things in absolute terms.
Danth

NO THEY DON't. They never have; they never will. This is absolutely FALSE.

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hybrid hate is pretty bad.

My bard is hated on in OT because I can't fathom why!
My paladin is hated on because he prefers to group or duo as opposed to a boring 6man conventional group.

But hybrids generally can solo pretty well or duo/trio well in most situations. You don't need full groups. Usually they are just boring and unnecessary.

A ranger with harmony makes breaking unrest, Mistmoore, and CoM rooms trivial, which greatly decreases danger. Best duo I had with paladin thus far has been druid or ranger. Harmony, so baller.

Sneak pulling from 200+ range is so OP you don't even need harmony. Casters are the only problem because they'll break your sneak and agro everything around them but if arrow flight time ever got implemented that problem would be easily solved too. With sufficient skill though, root makes up for it anyways.

[utenan]

don't just assume that a hybrid will take up more exp either - "Race/Class combos with no penalty but who are 6 levels higher than you nerf your xp more than the hybrid who is the same level as you in most cases" - group with hybrids that are lower than you, or people with the same total exp in general, and it's not even a problem

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NO THEY DON't. They never have; they never will. This is absolutely FALSE.

lol