Class R

[SyanideGas]

Originally Posted by Juryiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I keep seeing this 'Incentivize Class C' stuff both here and from the raid forum. Apparently GMs really want to get more guilds to move to class C as some sort of worth-while goal, but so far their attempts of keeping VP class C and having class C get more loot hasn't paid off. I have the solution.

Here's a complete step by step guide to accomplishing that:

1. Make competition between guilds fun.

Most people aren't going to want to play in a 'competitive' class when competitive means FTE poopfest. Yes, FTE poopfest is definitely effort, and maybe it should be rewarded with all sorts of VPs, but for most people, all the VPs in the world aren't enough to get them to be part of that.

If competition between guilds is made to be fun somehow guilds will just go to class C when they feel they are able. Obviously a bunch of guilds now COULD go to class C, but they don't even though there are VPs on the line, which must mean that the class C play style is not even close to neutral in terms of fun for these guilds. Now, I'm not sure how you can accomplish step #1 there, but if it's not possible, then I ask, why even try to incentivize people to play in ways that are not fun but instead come down to poopfest FTE, especially considering how GMs have also claimed they don't really want people to play that way? The type of 'effort' people generally want to put into EQ is mostly PVE rather than various forms of PVP, specifically because EQ mechanics. This is not to say that class C shouldn't have exclusive VP access. If GMs want to reward the type of effort it takes to be class C, by all means. But for most people, desire for loot will not trump desire to play in ways that are fun - and that's a good thing - so this method of incentivizing wont' really get very far.

This is actually very similar to telling people from blue to go play on red. Even with all of the exp boosts, and all of the content guilds could be taking on red, they won't go. They would sooner run out of content on blue and quit.

So in both cases this 'incentivizing' is misguided, and at best translates to an effort to get people to log into a 15 year old game to do something that isn't having fun. Good luck with that effort.

TL;DR
Blah blah Class R blah blah Class C blah blah VP.

Can get on board with what you just said.

[sulpher01]

Why does everyone skip over the obvious solution.... both class C and R seem to agree that the only fun time on this server competition wise is during the simulated repops. Why not just make the only repops the simulated repops? Just do more of them.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by sulpher01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does everyone skip over the obvious solution.... both class C and R seem to agree that the only fun time on this server competition wise is during the simulated repops. Why not just make the only repops the simulated repops? Just do more of them.

Because they're manually done and not having a timed repop is not classic (even if there's variance.

I think you're right though, each side likes repops because it's an actual race as opposed to socking with coth duckers.

[Fanguru]

When you want a customer to get hooked on something, you let them try it first.

Maybe class R would be more interested in VP if we could go for a target on a rare occasion without risking the jump to class C.

I don't understand class C reluctance, some of their members keep saying half the dragons in there don't even drop anything they need.

It's a shame staff made it pretty clear VP will remain C only, and class C guards VP just to avoid losing any ground and keep looking down on filthy casuals.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Fanguru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you want a customer to get hooked on something, you let them try it first.

Maybe class R would be more interested in VP if we could go for a target on a rare occasion without risking the jump to class C.

I don't understand class C reluctance, some of their members keep saying half the dragons in there don't even drop anything they need.

It's a shame staff made it pretty clear VP will remain C only, and class C guards VP just to avoid losing any ground and keep looking down on filthy casuals.

The reluctance to join class C is due to being forced to raid against the sociopaths that are TMO/IB.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reluctance to join class C is due to being forced to raid against the sociopaths that are TMO/IB.

Your constant bashing just shows that you're the sociopath. Most of us are pretty chill TMO and IB alike. I suggest doing some more QnA on reddit, white nighting and holding onto that old raid scene bitterness comes very natural with you. Now go collect your handouts... Move along move along >_>

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your constant bashing just shows that you're the sociopath. Most of us are pretty chill TMO and IB alike. I suggest doing some more QnA on reddit, white nighting and holding onto that old raid scene bitterness comes very natural with you. Now go collect your handouts... Move along move along >_>

The new raid scene developed due to the monopolization of content by first TR/IB then TMO. The raid scene would still be like that if it weren't for staff intervention. It took fucking staff intervention to make you guys stop acting like jackasses and even now the idiocy spills out. Here's some examples:

The complete frothing outrage directed at class R and me personally because you didn't like a staff mandated solution that you brought on yourselves.

Lampooning class R when we established a rotation in days and maintained it for almost a year now. Something your kind couldn't do, which caused the staff to intervene.

The scumbag flaming of Catherin after the autofire debacle after TMO/IB pretended that they never once ever were autofiring and Catherin was the true villain, give me a break.

The constant beating Taken is getting over coth ducking when TMO/IB is happily doing it and being successful doing so.

The back alley trade offs when it comes to discipline issues between IB and TMO compared to screaming for the book to be thrown at class R guilds anytime something happens. (Nagafen, Lord)

Screaming for competition then absorbing the competition.

Do I need to keep going? I'll keep calling a spade a spade, just because you don't like the truth doesn't mean it's not true.

[kotton05]

What are you even talking about? You paint us as some foreign creatures. You bring up points that are irrelevant from a time way more toxic. By all means let the hatred flow.

Acting like you had much to do with the rotation. FE was the cause of the change and you're just riding the wave caused by them. As for joining the competition you still have no idea behind why that happened. Stay bitter.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The scumbag flaming of Catherin after the autofire debacle after TMO/IB pretended that they never once ever were autofiring and Catherin was the true villain, give me a break.

Anyone who actually was actually caught autofiring would have taken a huge beating on here.

The constant beating Taken is getting over coth ducking when TMO/IB is happily doing it and being successful doing so.

Nobody is happy doing this. Proof: Class C does not coth duck class C mobs. We're forced to for FFA ones.

The back alley trade offs when it comes to discipline issues between IB and TMO compared to screaming for the book to be thrown at class R guilds anytime something happens. (Nagafen, Lord)

Don't act like it's shady or something. EQ has agro mechanics that aren't always intuitive and are very volatile. Accidents or recklessness can easily cause raid interference that cost mobs for another guild. If class C was petitioning every little infraction, GMs would be pissed. Not to mention we've been flat out told that this is how raid disputes must be handled.

You were approached about that Nagafen before it ever went to GMs. And you basically got a slap on the wrist, so I don't know why you'd even bring it up.

Screaming for competition then absorbing the competition.

Stealing members from opposition, better recruiting, orchestrating mergers. This is part of competition in this game unfortunately.

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[Fanguru]

I suppose I wasn't clear enough. I was talking about the class C reluctance to give up any single dragon in VP to class R.