Real Question here

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you, Derubael.



I'd guess some guilds would be inclined to try VP if they thought they could push a Class C guild out of the Class C equation by competing, which I gather was the gist of the conversation surrounding the Class R-Class C discussion.



Derubael once stated several months ago that he didn't like the Friday through Sunday setup for repops, but it is what it is. He addressed part of this statement in this very thread. I personally like the 96 hour windows as it prevents socking (the original goal of implementing variance).



There seems to be a tension between WoW gamers and 1999 EQ gamers. In WoW, when the attunements were changed so that just about anyone could achieve end game (items), the sense of achievement was lost on the 20% minority who worked hours, days, and months on achieving leet pixels. In classic EQ, that mentality exists even at level 20 when you get your surname and have items you could never attain at level 1 (untwinked and alone). To me, the same argument that says that twinks ruin the game applies to the argument that everyone on the server should have a free shot at end game loot. What becomes the point of raiding end game when everyone has a free shot?

Velious will solve many of the problems we are faced with in Kunark, but only until the top guilds on the server reach and maintain end game pixels. At some point, the staff is going to have to say "no" to the cry babies who want their free loot through de facto instances (rotations).

The staff could also consider adding an alternate system of acquiring end game capabilities for groups in Velious through AA, which would cut down on alts, distract low end from their incessant clamoring for free pixels, and provide mains a reason to play their mains outside of raids thus possibly increasing the sense of community for all players on the server.

So a person who spends years grinding to 60 and wants to kill a dragon with his friends without turning it into a full time job is asking for free handouts, but if that same person apps to a class C guild and stands on the shoulders of the core who do the majority of the heavy lifting and gets in the DKP line for loot is somehow earning it? You can't deny half your numbers are people who joined because it was the path of least resistance to the loot.

[Skydash]

No guilds will move to Class C the way it stands.

Class C has locked out the Class R guilds from VP, which was the entire point of dividing the server into two groups.

Class C does not want unrestricted Competition in VP.

If any Class R guild tried to move to Class C, they would lose the ability to play 90% of the game. Would be forced to spend countless hours tracking. And would need to recruit an additional 100 players minimum to have enough people log on when a Batphone goes off.

This set up stinks like a festering boil, and it will only get worse in Velious, until the boil comes to a head and explodes by the slightest touch.

The only totally fair thing to do, is set ALL spawns on a Rotation, and eliminate the C class entirely. Force Class C to sit and wait like the rest of the server.

Class C is getting an unfair advantage for some unknown reason.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you fucking serious? Anytime a class c guild crosses your path and tries to talk to you about anything involving the target were going after, you give a straight "fuck you" answer to us. You, sir, are the one who it is like pulling teeth to work with. Get over yourself, jesus christ.

Chest could definitely work on his people skills when it comes to talking to TMO and IB

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We all agreed to a ruleset that took months to hash out. I really dont think it's wise to change things when it has been proved to be working.. Especially now just after 6 months, with velious on the horizon !

Let's not forget that the only socking in ffa happens because one class R guild decided to start a weapons race. And somehow it's because of IB and TMO ? Seriously, cut the bullshit right here..

Casuals have never killed so many dragons that in the last 6 months.. And i supported the rules change that enabled that. And now you wanna change the rules to get even more ? Some of the class R guilds can't even kill Trak on their own !

.. Who here wants more pixels ?

That is the dumbest fucking narrative, I'm so tired of hearing "OMG you're killing dragonz! Y r u not happyz?!" The hardcore guilds brought this on themselves because they shit all over the sandbox so the staff was forced to intervene. Enough with the class C charity line, it's so ignorant.

The guilds that can't kill Trak or Gore solo don't have single slots in the rotation. Right now the gore rotation is only 6 deep with Taken BDA and Div holding solo spots and 2 slots with 3 guilds all working together. Trak has some combined forces as well.

Coth ducking and autofire are all symptoms of the sickness, treating the symptoms doesn't fix the underlying problem.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Common denominator is class C. BDA works very well with the class R guilds.

You're so dense. The common denominator is your pre conceived notions against us. TMO and IB are vastly different than what it was from the train war era and before. Why can't you see we want what's best too?... You just throw us under the bus like some road kill. Like class c is the scarlet letter for pixels.. Lol

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chest could definitely work on his people skills when it comes to talking to TMO and IB

I'm fine when spoken to in a respectful tone. The last time I told TMO to outright fuck off was the Fear train that Unbrella tacitly approved. Guys, Dinacarl was trying to pull.

[khanable]

To get respect ya gotta give it homie

I think all of us could work on how we talk to each other

Bunch of fuckin' potty mouths up in hurr

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[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're so dense. The common denominator is your pre conceived notions against us. TMO and IB are vastly different than what it was from the train war era and before. Why can't you see we want what's best too?... You just throw us under the bus like some road kill. Like class c is the scarlet letter for pixels.. Lol

Then prove it's all better now. Oh wait, Taken is actually competing JUST LIKE YOU WANTED and are being vilified non fucking stop on the forums and in game. Class R works together with zero incident over the past year, let's condemn that as well. Shit hasn't changed at all, the only change is the protection the class system affords the casual guilds from having to deal with your ilk unless they want to.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chest could definitely work on his people skills when it comes to talking to TMO and IB

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To get respect ya gotta give it homie

I think all of us could work on how we talk to each other

Bunch of fuckin' potty mouths up in hurr

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It's a vicious cycle. Words don't mean shit. Be the change. If class C is so much of a palatable group of people then how come they haven't lead the way for bettering the high end raid scene? Answer: because pixels.