RIP Robin Williams

[Lictor]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. I don't want to subject myself or my loved ones to my slow deterioration and loss of who I am as a person, or the continued pain of my existence. You guys are going to have to go on without me.

2. I don't want you to leave yet so you should just put up with the physical and mental anguish that will come over the next years while you slowly whither and die before I have to deal with the same loss that will come in the end anyway.

Pick the more selfish stance.

You are focusing on the wrong subjective thought process of the individual. Of course loved ones want to be with their parent/sibling/child as long as possible.

Number one is the selfish mentality. I don't want to deal with pain, I don't want to fight for only 10% chance to live, I don't want to go through surgery, I don't want to risk the unknown, I don't want to risk my memories, I don't want to go through chemo, me me me me me, etc...

Whether loved ones feel the above decision is right or wrong by the person commiting suicide is not relevant. The decision to go through with suicide is still selfish.

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Lictor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are focusing on the wrong subjective thought process of the individual. Of course loved ones want to be with their parent/sibling/child as long as possible.

Number one is the selfish mentality. I don't want to deal with pain, I don't want to fight for only 10% chance to live, I don't want to go through surgery, I don't want to risk the unknown, I don't want to risk my memories, I don't want to go through chemo, me me me me me, etc...

Whether loved ones feel the above decision is right or wrong by the person commiting suicide is not relevant. The decision to go through with suicide is still selfish.

Doesn't understand how depression works


Thinks Rush Limbaugh is right and people who kill themselves just aren't TUFF ENUFF

[Gaffin 7.0]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't understand how depression works


Thinks Rush Limbaugh is right and people who kill themselves just aren't TUFF ENUFF

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[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't understand how depression works


Thinks Rush Limbaugh is right and people who kill themselves just aren't TUFF ENUFF

Citation needed

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Lictor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are focusing on the wrong subjective thought process of the individual. Of course loved ones want to be with their parent/sibling/child as long as possible.

Only if they are selfish.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only if they are selfish.

So would it be a selfless act for your wife to kill you if she thought you were suffering too much?

[Archalen]

Originally Posted by Lictor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are focusing on the wrong subjective thought process of the individual. Of course loved ones want to be with their parent/sibling/child as long as possible.

Number one is the selfish mentality. I don't want to deal with pain, I don't want to fight for only 10% chance to live, I don't want to go through surgery, I don't want to risk the unknown, I don't want to risk my memories, I don't want to go through chemo, me me me me me, etc...

Whether loved ones feel the above decision is right or wrong by the person commiting suicide is not relevant. The decision to go through with suicide is still selfish.

There is a complex relationship between our personal narrative and our biochemistry. It is true that you can affect your mood and biochemistry through an improvement in personal narrative and thought processes. However, there evidence to suggest that the inverse is also true; personal narrative and thought processes change almost reflexively as a response to "efficiency of neurotransmitter function," for lack of a better phrase. We see this in medications which are sometimes effective. Another thing among many to consider is that the atrophy of the hippocampus can occur during early stages of brain development (you can't fault a child for having a shitty childhood), and we are not certain that neurogenesis due to CBT and other narrative-improvement therapies can fully restore healthy brain matter in all cases. And this is only part of the issue.

If you have a healthy mind though, it is selfish of you not to do a little legwork before you piss out your stupid, shitty opinion.

[Lictor]

Originally Posted by Archalen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a complex relationship between our personal narrative and our biochemistry. It is true that you can affect your mood and biochemistry through an improvement in personal narrative and thought processes. However, there evidence to suggest that the inverse is also true; personal narrative and thought processes change almost reflexively as a response to "efficiency of neurotransmitter function," for lack of a better phrase. We see this in medications which are sometimes effective. Another thing among many to consider is that the atrophy of the hippocampus can occur during early stages of brain development (you can't fault a child for having a shitty childhood), and we are not certain that neurogenesis due to CBT and other narrative-improvement therapies can fully restore healthy brain matter in all cases. And this is only part of the issue.

If you have a healthy mind though, it is selfish of you not to do a little legwork before you piss out your stupid, shitty opinion.

I do not see the point you are attempting to make. No one is arguing mental illness is not real, or mental illness can not alter brain chemistry over time.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Lictor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are focusing on the wrong subjective thought process of the individual. Of course loved ones want to be with their parent/sibling/child as long as possible.

Number one is the selfish mentality. I don't want to deal with pain, I don't want to fight for only 10% chance to live, I don't want to go through surgery, I don't want to risk the unknown, I don't want to risk my memories, I don't want to go through chemo, me me me me me, etc...

Whether loved ones feel the above decision is right or wrong by the person commiting suicide is not relevant. The decision to go through with suicide is still selfish.

Sorry but i'm thinking about myself in all circumstances first. I love my kids but something was wrong with me and i was not in the right mind to be with them then why be there. Personally i have mental issues that i deal with. When my kids get older i will sit them down and tell them all about it and what i'm going through. Because there might come a day like Robin that i choose not to continue on in this world. When that day comes i wouldn't want it to be a shock or surprise to anyone. Not sure about you but the day i can't wipe my own ass is the day i dont want to be around anymore. I have too much self respect to let someone else do that for me. Hopefully though i go before that day comes.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. I don't want to subject myself or my loved ones to my slow deterioration and loss of who I am as a person, or the continued pain of my existence. You guys are going to have to go on without me.

2. I don't want you to leave yet so you should just put up with the physical and mental anguish that will come over the next years while you slowly whither and die before I have to deal with the same loss that will come in the end anyway.

Pick the more selfish stance.

You don't hang yourself while your wife sleeps in the next room because you are trying to avoid making her suffer.