Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[doyoueventrainbro]

I love it that whenever any TMO player does something, TMO all like dude they did outside the realm of TMO.
LOLO

[Ella`Ella]

TMO takes every effort to offer restitution in some way when we feel we have wronged a party or jeopardized their opportunity for a raid encounter. We have evidenced this many times in the past with Inglourious Basterds and most recently with BDA and Taken during a misunderstanding at Venril Sathir.

TMO has acknowledged that a single player interfered with their game play to some extent in the Plane of Fear. However, at no point was BDA in jeopardy of losing a raid target due to the misunderstanding, which is the primary point of contention when considering forfeiting a mob or raid suspensions. This is nothing more than an isolated incident regarding a member who has been punished by his guild as the leadership wants to recognize that we understand the wrong-doing and are not ignoring the matter. We acted as the GMs often request to resolve matters between each other which we attempted to do in BDA ventrillo.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

If an individual were to train the zone-in of KC while nothing was in window would this be an issue of the respective guild being raid suspended? As this occurrence happens daily and this is rarely the outcome, I suspect this is only a matter of 'blood in the water'.

I am more than willing to come to a compromise with Chest regarding this matter, however no consideration will be given to any sort of raid suspension or concession of a raid target as this metric simply doesn't apply. Anything further on the matter is simply fanfare for entertainment purposes.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO takes every effort to offer restitution in some way when we feel we have wronged a party or jeopardized their opportunity for a raid encounter. We have evidenced this many times in the past with Inglourious Basterds and most recently with BDA and Taken during a misunderstanding at Venril Sathir.

TMO has acknowledged that a single player interfered with their game play to some extent in the Plane of Fear. However, at no point was BDA in jeopardy of losing a raid target due to the misunderstanding, which is the primary point of contention when considering forfeiting a mob or raid suspensions. This is nothing more than an isolated incident regarding a member who has been punished by his guild as the leadership wants to recognize that we understand the wrong-doing and are not ignoring the matter. We acted as the GMs often request to resolve matters between each other which we attempted to do in BDA ventrillo.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

If an individual were to train the zone-in of KC while nothing was in window would this be an issue of the respective guild being raid suspended? As this occurrence happens daily and this is rarely the outcome, I suspect this is only a matter of 'blood in the water'.

I am more than willing to come to a compromise with Chest regarding this matter, however no consideration will be given to any sort of raid suspension or concession of a raid target as this metric simply doesn't apply. Anything further on the matter is simply fanfare for entertainment purposes.

td;dr don't ban me bro

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO takes every effort to offer restitution in some way when we feel we have wronged a party or jeopardized their opportunity for a raid encounter. We have evidenced this many times in the past with Inglourious Basterds and most recently with BDA and Taken during a misunderstanding at Venril Sathir.

TMO has acknowledged that a single player interfered with their game play to some extent in the Plane of Fear. However, at no point was BDA in jeopardy of losing a raid target due to the misunderstanding, which is the primary point of contention when considering forfeiting a mob or raid suspensions. This is nothing more than an isolated incident regarding a member who has been punished by his guild as the leadership wants to recognize that we understand the wrong-doing and are not ignoring the matter. We acted as the GMs often request to resolve matters between each other which we attempted to do in BDA ventrillo.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

If an individual were to train the zone-in of KC while nothing was in window would this be an issue of the respective guild being raid suspended? As this occurrence happens daily and this is rarely the outcome, I suspect this is only a matter of 'blood in the water'.

I am more than willing to come to a compromise with Chest regarding this matter, however no consideration will be given to any sort of raid suspension or concession of a raid target as this metric simply doesn't apply. Anything further on the matter is simply fanfare for entertainment purposes.

I wonder if you are conscious of the extreme spin you're putting on things and think you're clever, or if you're completely ignorant to your own prejudices.

[Ambrotos]

Your posts sounds good till you try and blame other people.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

Any guild can raid any zone they want. There isn't a " You can't be in fear if another guild is there". As long as no one is taking each others pulls, KSing, or training then there isn't a disruption.

We can go by your line of thinking though.

You want to claim some by rule

Chapter 8 Section 1, Article 1

that doesn't even apply to the situation. If you want to go full retard and insist, apply it to yourself also when you decided to deflect the entire situation and say both groups were AOEing. So we can use your same argument and apply it the same wrong way, and say you were in violation of the same thing.

Call that a wash, and it still leaves the fraps train by a member of your guild. Sirken has ruled that the guilds need to work it out, thus it is a Server Raid Policy is covering it. I personally feel it's a single event and only the person should be punished, but the way he responded to the petition is the way Sirken wants it.

[Man0warr]

When did an idiot training become enough to scream for a whole guild to be raid suspended?

Because we were trained by TMO twice in raiding situations less than a week apart. The Raid rules on training say harsh punishment will be meted out, and yet TMO always weasels their way out of it.

Sirken and Derubael are also awfully silent when it comes to petitions involving TMO.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because we were trained by TMO twice in raiding situations less than a week apart. The Raid rules on training say harsh punishment will be meted out, and yet TMO always weasels their way out of it.

Sirken and Derubael are also awfully silent when it comes to petitions involving TMO.

What was the 2nd raiding situation ? VS...where we didn't compete and....Where ? An AE group in Fear ? What Raid spawn did you lose that needs to be looked into ?

[cams]

IB KSs a Fayd involving confusion with unguilded tracker and KSs a draco but leaves loot for TMO = 2 week suspension.

Azure Guard helps another guild with Trak due to confusion with schedule = 1 week suspension.

Jephtah trains Taken, Yibz trains Taken, and Dinacarl trains BDA, and TMO is basically allowed to determine their own punishment.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by cams [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB KSs a Fayd involving confusion with unguilded tracker and KSs a draco but leaves loot for TMO = 2 week suspension.

Azure Guard helps another guild with Trak due to confusion with schedule = 1 week suspension.

Jephtah trains Taken, Yibz trains Taken, and Dinacarl trains BDA, and TMO is basically allowed to determine their own punishment.

Want to know the differences in those scenarios ?

IB officers refused to work with officers of TMO in coming to a resolution.

AG is in Class R where they are subject to lockouts. It is a bad situation but those lockouts are in the game. Moving up to Class C removes you from these lockouts and I recommend it.

Jephtah trained trackers and we admitted fault and talked to Taken about a resolution and came to one. BDA got the VS we backed off of and didn't contest because of what happened in the confusion after and agreed that was a good resolution in regards to Yibz having aggro on him (I still don't believe that was his train I believe it was aggro dropped on him) and dying near their raid.

All of the situations above involved raid mobs in window or spawned. There was a possible loss of something in regards to the parties involved. In the situations where they got resolved without GMs and where lockouts were involved there was guilds communicating and finding a resolution. We are still looking for that from BDA in regards of the recent events in fear but Chest doesn't want to find a reasonable solution and seems determined to whine to GMs in hopes that they will side with his unreasonable requests.

[Socratic]

Hah, we step aside resulting in your guild getting a free shot at vs, wiping, then rezzing up for 15+ mins and finally killing him and you're still trying to use that? I mean, please, if that's weaseling then by all means, please weasel for us. I'll take a free VS.

I see now that you're just another nutjob rnf kiddo, so moving on.